Study Finds White Americans Believe They Experience More Racism Than African Americans

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There’s a saying that “the new racism is to deny that racism exists.” If that is the case, it may explain a study conducted by researchers from Tufts University’s School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School. Their findings claim that self-described white Americans believe they have “replaced blacks” as the primary victims of racial discrimination in contemporary America.

The authors say that their study highlights how the expectations of a “post-racial” society, predicted or imagined in the wake of Barack Obama’s presidency, has far from been achieved.

The study finds that while both Caucasian and African Americans agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, whites believe that anti-white racism has increased. Moreover, the study finds that the majority of Caucasians believe that anti-white racism is a “bigger problem” than what African Americans face.

Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, PhD is the co-author of the article “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” from the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science. He comments that “It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment.”

The study was conducted by Sommers and co-author Michael I. Norton of Harvard asking a roughly equal national sample of 209 Caucasians and 208 African Americans to indicate, on a scale of 1 to 10, the extent to which they felt blacks and whites were the targets of discrimination in decades spanning from the 1950s to the 2000s. The scale’s ranking of 1 indicated “not at all” while 10 indicates “very much.”

Both groups reported roughly the same things for the 1950s, with neither believing Caucasians experienced much racism at all during that turbulent decade. Both similarly agreed that at the same time, there was substantial racism against African Americans. Both groups also agreed that racism against African Americans has steadily decreased over time. But here’s where the study gets interesting. Caucasians surveyed believe that the discrimination faced by their African American neighbors has decreased much more rapidly than the African American respondents. Furthermore, they believe that while African Americans now have it better, they – the Caucasians surveyed – have taken their place as the primary targets of discrimination.

“These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense,” Norton and Sommers explain.

An astounding 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination. Compare that with only 2% who reported the same of anti-black racism. Caucasians, the study found, often believe that racial equality is “a zero sum game,” where one group gains at the expense of others.

What are your thoughts?

(Article by M.B. David)

Posted in: Racism
  • Taisen M Spring

    From experience, living in Texas and Oregon are completely different. Oregon is sort of racist against white people in small ways, but in Texas, that is completely ridiculous to claim. It depends where you live. In Oregon I don’t think people dislike white people as much as they just think white’s are pushovers that don’t know anything about struggle. Yes, it is all dumb. However, the level of racism of people that are against blacks can be very extreme and is not even comparable to white haters. The difference is that it is seen as politically correct to hate white people, but not so for blacks; So the black haters don’t speak out about it where the white haters have nothing holding them back from expressing themselves publically. Over all, I see most racism against white people coming from Mexicans who don’t speak English… God damn gringo’s lol… In the end I don’t see it as a racism problem, but simply that there are different cultures, who sometimes don’t understand each other, you can see this in high school between whatever group you hang out in. This is bigger than race, and I don’t think racism against white’s is a problem whatsoever. The bigger problem in my opinion is self identity within a group.

    • Lucille Hatfield

      You lost me there when you started saying it’s not a problem with racism, but you bring up a good point about it being okay to hate on white people but not blacks.

      Black people face an incomparable amount of oppression and racism. But the fact that many whites don’t see this, and sometimes have “politically correct racism” targeted towards them, may be why they feel so persecuted in spite of the reality of things.

    • J

      Taisen, I think you just confirmed the whole point of this study.

      • Posen

        I think both of you need to think about how you express yourself.

        There’s a misunderstanding amongst white people that many don’t seem to get. Racism isn’t about intention, it’s about the end result. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t intend to hurt someone by making an unintentionally racist comment because the end result is the same.

        Here, perhaps unwittingly you’ve done this. Perhaps it’s normal for you guys to minimise a wrong doing by bringing up a wrong done by a victim. Essentially you’ve done this here which basically undermines your claimed understanding of of racism towards people of color.

        Sure you are not comparing systemic racism to name calling? And think to mention it in the same breath?

        If you go to any comments page of admitted racists or obvious ones you will see a clear pattern or a meme; to forward the fallacy of ‘reverse racism’, conflating it and proclaiming it is equal to systemic racism.

        Here you have done there there same. In In addition to changing the narrative to be about your experiences experiences and whilst yes, this report might seem crazy, THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO It… This is an about face and and having your cake and eating it. Proclaiming the privilege of not being a racist, but not quite disagreeing with clear racist sentiments.

        Who do you think you are fooling? People of color are not idiots and recognise it for what it is. The nuances in how racism is presented, they are are experts in, unwilling experts but experts none the less.

        Perhaps you guys guys are being called out and guys like you, who lack and understanding of what racism is, the power it has and think you have the right to dictate definitions and make false equivalences all the while maintaining a so – called anti racist stance stance without doing the work to deserve it.

        Think about it. Defensiveness doesn’t change a damn thing.

  • rebs

    Well… there’s still a lot of pent up anger for black people against whites. This is the same country that enslaved them, and then oppressed them through their laws. There’s still a lot of discrimination, today, against black people. The stats are there.
    This country took their voice from then an they’ve gotten it back at a time where people cringe and are exasperated, and want them to “get power it”.
    They’re not over it, and won’t be until this country has a major sit down discussion on race and race relations.

    • Decoven

      You can’t get over something that still exist.

      • Brett smithton

        1. the majority of slave holders were white but there were BLACK slave owners as well the first one in this country was in fact black
        2. MYfamily came to this country from ireland and italy..both famiies wereoushed around due to their heritage when theygot to america …people calling them micks or dagos….do i hold a grudge? no
        3. continuning with point 2…the majority of americans today come from IMMIGRANTS from other countries…NOT desecendts of slave owners…so blaming them for the attrocious acts of OTHERS is fucking STUPID…move on.

        • Danny

          First of all black slave ownership was VERY rare. Secondly, you’re right that not everyone white is a descendant of a slave owner, but poor white immigrants, although treated badly, were never treated as bad as blacks. Poor whites have always been given a better position on the bottom than their black counterparts throughout our country’s history (i.e. whites only sections).

          Thirdly, why would you hold a grudge? Do you still have any lasting negative affects from your family’s experience? Does your son (if you have one) have a 1 in 3 chance of ending up in the criminal justice system? I seriously doubt it b/c after white immigrants assimilated and their families became fluent in English, the discrimination you mentioned diminished. Lastly, you are able to say where you’re family came from, but most blacks don’t have a clue, b/c they were completely disconnected from it (most blacks can only go a few generations back, but have no clue of their ancestry).

          In short, you’re family’s experience, while wrong, is like comparing an apple to an orange.

          • Herman

            the 1 in 3 stat might be because 90% of them bought into the liberal crap that destroyed families as a basic tenant of the socialist philosophy. Plus black leaders want to cry racism all the while raking in millions of hush money to not picket companies instead of really working on saving black families, promoting education and not glorifying the rap world and drugs like they do.

            You have a President that sees and espouses racism at every opportunity, you have an Attorney General that now says it is OK for blacks to commit crimes and not be punished because he wants to lower the 1 in 3 ratio.

            You have herds of black thugs “polar bear hunting” as they call it with knockout game and only the one white caught is charged with a hate crime. The blacks are charged with misdameaners and let go.

            You have 51 voting districts in PA that not one vote was recorded for Romney.

            You advocate “reverse discrimination” as the way ahead but do not have guts to call it that as you have to make it PC to deceive what it is.

            So just exactly what do you propose for the discussion?

          • J

            Danny, you are so spot on.

          • Ihavenoname

            To say no person who is Caucasian or European has never experienced horrific discrimination that had long lasting effects is completely incorrect. I am Jewish my people were stripped from there homes, businesses destroyed, they had their money, family air looms even there names stripped from them. Women had to change their name to Sarah and Men had to add the name Israel. They were also forced to wear the star of David so everyone would know they were Jewish. They forced them into concentration camps telling them they were being deported from Germany. They were forced into labor. They put them in gas chambers and euthanized them. They then threw them in piles and burned the bodies. The ashes from the burning bodies rained down upon the concentration camps. More than 6 million Jews were killed during the holocaust with only an 11% survival rate in children. This is not only and example of slavery but genocide. It was a plan to exterminate all Jews because they were racially inferior and evil. Those who were able to escape came to America because they had no where else they could go. They were not only being exterminated from Germany but all through Europe. some people to this day deny the Holocaust that it never happened. My Grandfather is a survivor of the Holocaust. And I never once heard him use his experience as a crutch. There are still many groups in America who practice anti-Semitism and believe that Jews are dirty and evil. People use the term Jew to describe someone as cheap(stereotyping).Most grocery stores do not carry Kosher food, I have to drive a good distance in order to purchase kosher foods. But the grocery store carries Asian and Hispanic food products. There are no Jewish Federal Holidays I have to take off to celebrate and practice my faith. There is no day honoring the those lost in the Holocaust or the great people from the Jewish community or honoring their contributions. But yet I don’t scream racism, I just deal because even tough some Americans are ancestors of those who helped to exterminate my people, it is not there fault and therefore it is not their cross to bear. And there are still people who will always hate Jews, and that’s fine I am not angry with them it is not there fault they are just ignorant and lack education.

        • http://doctornebula.tumblr.com DoctorNebula

          I didn’t know Italians and Irish people were on a over crowded ship full of disease and death for weeks and then forced to work or face death? No one should be blaming anybody at this present day, but trying to compare name calling and slavery seems a bit of a stretch.

        • Leo Adan

          Got called NAMES OH NO. OMG Slavery? NO Lynching? NO. Segregation NO. Families broken up by being sold down river? NO. Black slave holders? Probably less that .01% if that. Those comments were nothing more than SILLY. And I think I know who is FUCKING STUPID.

          • James

            Racism against Irish and Italians went way beyond getting called nasty names. Many Irish came here as indentured servants, basically slaves, and did so due to a famine that was so awful that they can’t really be said to have had a choice. Also, Irish and Italians were not considered to be the racial equals of Anglo-Saxons until later (and that largely to keep them from sympathizing with/uniting with blacks). Jews became “white” even later.
            This is of course a totally diffrent issue than the topic of the article. I just want to make sure that people don’t misunderstand the history of this country. It’s not just one of racist WHITE institutions, it’s one of racist ANGLO-SAXON institutions, which later invented the concept of “whiteness” as a means of holding on to power.

        • Lenore Wong

          1. It’s had to move on while the effects from slavery are still present in society (let it be known that it’s not all or the majority of black people that blame white people for their current situations).
          2. Let is think about what some white people consider racism to be.
          3. Now in America, if you look white or are from European countries you are white and aren’t (in most cases) faced with brutal racism that effects multiple aspects of a black individual’s life.
          In addition, many white people (from Europe and decedents of slave owners show racism towards black people). I’m not saying racism towards any group is justified, but I know there are some racist black people out there, however, to say that white Americans have taken the place of black Americans as the primary targets of discrimination is truly ludicrous.

        • Celeste

          Do you tell people to move on from 9-11? How about moving on from Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell, Jordan Davis, Renisha McBride, Kendrick Johnson… so many examples, so little time. My point here is that American slavery is a system that was set up and led to legislation that created disparities and inequalities based on race. People are being murdered and oppressed through stop and frisk (racial profiling) and Stand Your Ground laws that disproportionately impact African Americans today.

          In other words, you benefit from the system and it’s naive to claim that you don’t.

          • Herman

            Blacks are using stand your ground just as much as whites in courts, better get your facts straight instead of listening to Jesse, Sharton and the MSNBC “MADCOW”. Plus Travon Martin was never about stand your ground in court, so another flat out lie. It was only in the minds of PC media and race baiters. If you look at the wealth of information on Mr. Martin, some facts are indisputable. Martin posted on Facebook stating he is a drug dealer, he calls him self a “gangsta”, hardened street fighter and routinely high on “Lean or Drank” which is made from the can of drink he had, skittles and cough syrup. Plus the videos at the store show him making drug deals outside the store where he bought them. His friend he was on the phone with gave live TV interviews after the trial where she said she lied in court and Travon went back to jump Zimmerman.

            Plus saying “Stop and Frisk” is murdering people is flat our wrong and a symptom of typical PC lying of the race baiters.

        • Michael

          Brett, you are who the article is talking about. It’s easy for you to want to just ‘move on’ when you are NOT facing the same prejudice that black people STILL DO when applying for a job, insurance, mortgage, etc. Racism has real life impacts on people’s ability to move up in the world, and you are not the one being held back by it.

        • Scarlett O’Hara

          What you fail to consider is that your family’s experience and that of the average African American family’s experience are two distinctly different things. First, let’s address the fact that your family had the option of choosing to leave Ireland and Italy and come to America. Nearly every person of African descent in this country did not have that option. Consequently there is a difference between Immigration and forced Migration. The slave trade was forced. Secondly, for over 500 years there have been laws enacted in the Constitution, Colonial laws and later state laws that regulated specifically people of African descent. I am referencing the 3/5th human clause in the Constitution, which has yet to be overturned. Also various states who used slave codes and black codes as a separate law to control African descended people in ALL of the original colonial states and southern states. I have yet to see any law overturning or nullifying these laws. These laws helped to reinforce various structural and institutional disparities.
          Whereas many European ‘immigrants’ came to the U.S. while the Western hemisphere was practicing an amnesty immigration policy, anchor baby policy fueled by the 14th amendment after the abolition of chattel slavery through the early 1900′s. This was solely for the purpose of offsetting the African population. The Naturalization act of 1789 forbade any others except those of English descent to come to the U.S. and be citizens. There were a few exceptions. This law was relaxed in order to whiten the U.S. There were few local laws on the books that restricted anything that Irish or Italians, since you brought those two groups up, that have continued to this day. Read “The History of White People” to get a better understanding. And regarding this comment about ‘just get over it’. You wouldn’t dare say that to or about any other group. There were plenty of Irish who were slave overseers, police officers (Northeast), Patrollers, etc who helped willingly to maintain the system. These people are documented. Since you made it a personal response, if it hadn’t been for some Scots-Irish men raping my grandmothers, I wouldn’t even be here. Do you expect me to be grateful for this? Think about it.

        • Guy Weston

          I don’t think people calling your ancestors “micks or dagos” is even comparable to them being enslaved,separated from their families and lynched.

    • Dan

      All racism is stupid and horrible. That being said, I just have make a historical point…Americans didn’t actually enslave Africans ( though obviously were a huge factor in the slave trade, which is just as wrong ); some African tribes enslaved other African tribes and then sold them to Europeans, who brought them over to the U.S.

      • Mark Fox

        Not really a point, more of a footnote. Even though Africans enslaved Africans to participate in the slave trade that doesn’t means Americans weren’t enslavers. Involuntary servitude is enslavement at any all points in that equation.

      • FactCheck1212

        Slavery did not work in Africa as it did in the US. The slaves of Africa were war criminals, thieves, etc. Whether or not it makes it right is another debate however.

      • Victor Douglas

        The fact that Europeans invading the Americas who needed labor because indentured servants did not suffice saw sub-Saharan blacks as a commodity to be exploited and from which to profit. Seeing blacks as a commodity instead of as a people incentivized the slave trade and created a market where none was before. Yes, African sold other Africans into slavery, just like there are blacks in the police forces and military in the employ of the elite; but the Europeans created the market; justified with biblical reference (sons of Ham); deemed themselves naturally superior and, therefore, natural rulers; and grossly profited from it (at least an elite percentage of Europeans / Americans). A slave market that resulted in over 50,000,000 (yes million) Africans being uprooted and transported from their homes in a process the resulted in up to 2/3 of them dying. It certainly wasn’t European generosity and hospitality now was it?

  • Sean D. McGuire

    I’m a white person and personally I think the white folks in this study need to pull their heads out of their derriere’s.

    • Margaret Robinson

      I agree with you.

    • Bob

      To your point, perhaps. I’m a white person, too, and I wish you would learn how to properly use apostrophes.

    • http://transformyourchroniclife.com/ Wendy Burnett

      Agreed! As long as whites aren’t being murdered only because they’re white, any discrimination we face is minor compared to what our black friend deal with every day.

    • Leo Adan

      Right you are.

    • Scarlett O’Hara

      I think that some of the commenters on this topic need to pull their heads out of their behinds and put it in some meaningful literature.

  • someblack guy

    If you can get a house, table, money, not get stop or frisked, money, a 5 million dollar loan to start a buissness, chances are you are a white man….we have faced these challenges and dicrimination still today but we as black people need to stop blaming but at the same damn time your system also need to stop being byist toward people of color. Racism still exist today cuz we focus more on prefrence then the advancement of our human race. Now if many of those folk new more of their history the would have know about the south african labs trying to create a bacteria to kill off blacl africans as well as sterlization and these scientist are just ridiclioud on not knowing the human genome of the archtype. So yea we delt with slavery and mostreatment for omany centuries but i guess people forgot that two. Now if our own goverment aristocrates stated its a perk to be a white male…i dont know how more racist it gets more then that!!!! Open your damn eyes people.

    • Lauren

      Read a book, and learn how to spell. Then, and only then will people listen to you. PEOPLE, because we are all cut from the same cloth, are products of their surroundings. While some people have more privileged backgrounds than others, we are all accountable for ourselves. When people start focusing on their own accountability, is when we will see prosperity. There are countless resources available for the less privileged. Anyone can start a business, create an app, go to school to learn a trade, or make a difference. The question is, are they willing to work for it? Chances are, no.

      • Lauren

        And in addition, ‘someblack guy’, it is illegal to discriminate against a black person in this country, however, it is not illegal to discriminate against women: My insurance is more expensive because I am a woman. Women make less money than men, despite education and experience.

        These are facts.

        If you feel as if you have been discriminated against, please file a lawsuit. I’m sure you could find a lawyer who would be willing to take on your case, as the earnings would be VERY large, not to mention your case would have national coverage.

        Get a grip, apply for a grant, and take your ass to college. God knows you need it if you can’t see the difference between ‘two’ & ‘too’

        Sincerely,

        somewhite woman

        • Andrea in Vermont

          Lauren, spelling has nothing to do with passion and meaning. “someblackguy” is speaking truth – take a step down from your pedestal and listen.

          I too am a woman. I am the white mother of two Black sons. And what I can tell you is that I live, every day, every hour, with fear in my heart. Fear that they will be stopped for “driving while black.” Fear that they will be face-planted on the sidewalk by a police officer who doesn’t think they should be walking on the neighborhood where our family lives. Fear that when they go off to college or work, there will come some moment when a summary execution occurs – at the hands of some civilian or officer of the law who sees nothing more than a young Black man, and who reads that tiny bit of information as suspicious and dangerous.

          I also hold love in my heart. I work exceptionally hard to try to hold more love than fear. Some days, that is very, very difficult to do.

          Your white privilege is showing, Lauren. How about showing some compassion, curiosity, and *respect* instead. We would all do well to do the same.

          • Unto

            I’m not living in USA so I have to ask is this fear based on reality or is it more like cultural belief.

            … and if it’s real what can be done? From my point of view the only way to “correct” things is that black people live continue living noble life and fight every single injustice one by one.

            In Finland we have similar discussion about gender equality. Everything at the reach of politicans have been corrected and now we are in endless discussion why women’s income is lower … the problem is that you can’t do anything on level of laws or state … we have moved to phase where decisions are made on the level of individuals and day to day decisions.

            On this level changes are slower and “oppressed” have to fight one fight at time … if there is need.

          • Benjamin Cooley Hall

            The fear of racial violence in the U. S. is very much based on reality. The enduring patriarchal oppression (sexism) that you describe in Finland sounds like it has something in common with the entrenched dimensions of White privilege in the U. S. For that reason, I disagree with your suggestion that each member of the oppressed group must simply address each incident of oppression as it occurs and hope that things will change. Both there and here, I believe that change will require all people, especially including those who benefit from the enduring oppression (Whites, males), to change both beliefs and actions. For example, if a corporation hires a lot of Black people or a lot of women, has that remedied the power imbalance? For the answer, take a look at the CEO and Board of Directors of the corporation (or at the Congress or Parliament or legislative body of the government): are all people represented fairly at that level? If not, the change is too superficial to really promote justice and equity.

  • http://stevensaus.com Steven Saus

    The study – while intriguing – has some serious flaws. Selection bias from the respondents (online recruitment) and they neglect (though acknowledge in a note) “the potential moderating role of other demo-
    graphic factors such as respondents’ state of residence and income,
    as well as psychological factors such as respondents’ political
    ideologies and race-related attitudes”.

    Or in other words: It’s a start. More research is necessary.

    • northwesterner

      Very good point! One study just isn’t going to cut it!

  • Jan Simmons

    What part f Oregon are YOU talking about? Exudes Portland..?

  • Taisen M Spring

    I was talking about all of Oregon in general. Either way, I don’t see it as a real issue whatsoever. Racism is dying out, however there are stupid people who will find any reason to divide people so that they can make themselves look better because of social insecurity. I forgot to mention that the worst racism and pointless hate can actually be seen today in Israel specifically coming from the Zionists. I support Jews against Zionism 100%. Youtube ‘Jews against Zionism’ to see what I mean.

  • http://www.pquirk.com Paul Quirk

    It’s remarkable that the people discussing this issue today were neither slaves nor slave owners. Those are the people that need to have the discussion, and I’m pretty sure they all died a long time ago. The racism they taught still lives on, so the hate lives on. It’s something irrational that’s taught to children when they’re young and impressionable, like religion, so they grow up believing in it like they believe in Jesus. My feelings are that, if we teach children critical thinking skills at this young and impressionable age, they may simply reason themselves out of racist ways of thinking and behaving. Instead of the 3 R’s, we could have the four R’s: Reading, wRiting, aRithmatic, and Reason.

    • Urza Wolf

      Racism did not stop with slavery. There were public lynchings of Black folk less than 50 years ago. Earlier this year, a young unarmed Black woman (Renisha McBride)lost her cellphone and needed help so she knocked on a door and was promptly shot in the head. Racism kills black folk even in this “post-racial” society and is not just an issue of the past.

      • Leo Adan

        Excellent comments

      • Tashie

        not long after the travon martin case, a white boy was beaten up and shot for walking around in a predominately black neighborhood. There’s racism for everyone

      • steve

        I could be wrong, but I thought the homeowner who shot the lady was also black.

        • Chaveevah Ferguson

          You are wrong. The homeowner who shot the woman was white. He claimed to be afraid [and therefore wouldn't open the door in response to her knocking], but as she started to LEAVE, he opened the door to SHOOT her at point blank range.

    • Ann Persand

      its actually not remarkable at all considering that what was created was actually an economic, social & political system which was created that still exists today. race as a category was only created to justify a slave economy; there is no way to reason yourself out of the entire environmental context in which you live.

      • Ron Drake

        West Africans were captured and impressed into American chattel slavery because of their resistance to malaria–a disease which debilitated other ethnicities that tried to work in mosquito-infested fields. It’s that simple. America wouldn’t have been possible otherwise.

    • Tricia

      I was not taught racism, growing up as a black person showed me what racism is….so I call moot on your point….oh and hear this I’m not an american, I’m from the Caribbean so its not only a foreign thing

  • http://www.NovaGiovanni.com Nova Sankofa

    Only White peoplein America can be considered racist. Whites may experience prejudice or bigotry, but not racism. Until those prejudices keep them from getting jobs, going to certain schools,humiliated and murdered by police with no consequences,Whites haven’t experienced racism.

    • Steve Browne

      Are you serious that only White people can be considered racist? Do you even know what “racism” is? If you had bothered to look up the definition it says “poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race. : the belief that some races of people are better than others”. Any race can be and have been guilty of racism. And it goes further than Black and White. There have been racism against Latinos, Italians, Poles, and every possible ethnic group. I shake my head when I see a statement as blatantly false as this one~

      • PsycheMe

        Actually, in any higher education that clarifies the terms racism, prejudice, discrimination, etc… there is a clear distinction that racism operates on the basis of PRIVELEDGE. It is the reward factor of that priveledge, that intrinsically motivates negligence to objectivity regarding the nature of colorism for White Americans. Such academic research on White Habitus (read “When Whites Flock Together”)and the nature of Whites as an independent culture are only now becoming a focused intent of scientific inquiry. There is an overwhelming body of evidence of stats that span back essentially to the beginning of America’s formation on the function and consequential nature of colorism. However, due to the nature of priveledge as a reward and the deeply ingrained prejudices against dark skin that exists in Whites, the prevalant attitude that “white is right” without regard to the destructive nature of homogenity (applying to all nature) is to painful psychically to be brought to consciousness. So too are the aggressions of the forefathers without which their immorality against humankind would not concede the the disparities that exist based on stratified colorism. In manners of the reality of tolls of deaths of humans at the hand of oppression Whites are to Blacks what Nazis were to Jews, (and worse numerically) but they cannot admit it as long as the system favors and encourages it. Which it clearly does. Abusive people never think they are abusive until they experience reprimand, which White Americans have yet to experience.

        • Jordan K

          That article was very interesting. However, I dont think explaining to white people that they are perpetrators of genocide, too scared to accept that fact, and inherently racist to dark skin is the best way to create any change, considering many of them probably do not self-identify as such. The article also speaks of the possibility that whites attribute bonuses to other whites rather than actually hating minorities. It’s not fair, but its not hatred. it’s increased trust and acceptance amongst the “in-group”.

          And i agree thate whites are a racialized group. And as a group, whites have their own issues, varying issues, and unique issues. Not all of their issues are about how much they secretly despise blacks. We talk an awful lot about the effects of history on identity, but as much as history DOES effect identity, it is not solely responsible for it. In other words, there is a lot more going on here than simply either “white is right” or whites trying to subjugate everybody. Would it be so difficult to accept that perhaps some of the issues that effect whites negatively do exist, irregardless of the racial status of other groups? I mean, not everybody likes being perceived as either wealthy or “temporarily poor” (maybe this is why failed white people experience such high rates of suicide? you know when they settle for being white trailer trash after an economic collapse after being bred for hegemonic power for the first twenty years of their lives), inclined to racism (because anytime a white person says ANYTHING remotely uneducated about anybody else its racism, and well, sometimes it is, but sometimes it isnt), descendent of slave owner (some are), culturally insensitive (fixable), and ignorant (also fixable). Those are labels too. Yes, other groups have racial problems that are unique to their situations and at this point in time clearly disadvantage them more economically and socially, but we will do each other a huge favour if we ALL acknowledge and work with each other’s cultural and individual narratives. Most white people don’t “get it”, but how can they? It’s not like they are going to understand by just gettting up and walking in some opressed guy’s shoes, unless well, they’ve experienced opression themselves in some way or another.

      • lorraine sweet

        Structural/institutional racism involves a POWER dynamic that creates discrimination based on the biological determinant of skin color. Blacks lack the power dynamic to discriminate and thus CAN hold prejudices and be bigoted, but not “racist”

        • Leo Adan

          Lorraine–last two posts. Right as rain. Thank you both for speaking my thoughts so well.

    • open mind open heart

      So you are saying whites have experienced racism. Goes both ways and to say you have walked in someone else shoes is ignorant. To not care about how someone is treated due to being black, white, red, yellow, all the way to tie die is heartless. (And this is to a post above about history, slavery didn’t start out about color; it was about who they could capture to make money.Black on Black/ African on African).

    • Anon

      Well good to know they have then. Just take the time to look up Polish people, Irish people, Welsh people, Scottish people, Jewish People. I am sure there is more.

      If you have no plight for Polish peoples I don’t know what to say. There are even Polish people jokes.

      And where I live in the states, if you are white, you don’t speak much English because there are a lot of people who immigrated from places where slavic languages are spoken and people belittle them all the time because they talk funny. They are targets because some people think the cold war is still going on.

      In the USA racism is defined by judging someone based on skin color or nationality. People think that all people who speak slavic languages are Russian and that is not true. People will shout out “beat up the Ruski”! because they think it is somehow funny.

      Have you seen Rocky and Bullwinkle? Try it sometime. If you don’t think it is racist… well it is. And those characters happen to be white in skin color but technically Russians can be either Europian or Asian.

      People in the USA have also been very racist against German foriegn exchange students by constantly equating all Germans with Nazis… which isn’t true either. And that is a racist statement. Unlike people who sound Russian to the American ear, I doubt someone who sounds German will have the same effect because most German people I have met so far don’t have a stereotypical accent.

      By calling people with white skin white people, you are ignoring the vast differences and cultural history that “white people” come from. Many white people don’t know where they came from. And some white people’s family heiratage did start off in this country as indentured servents.

      • Alex

        My friend, Russian People, Polish People etc. are European. Just because they are not American does not mean they are not white. We just call caucasian white here in America.

    • http://n/a mymyselfandI

      I’m a Caucasian male. I say that because I don’t consider myself to be “white” or for that matter do I consider “white” to be a race at all. So if white isn’t a race, how can others be racist against it? I agree that people who consider themselves as part of some mythical white race have never experienced true racism. They have experienced prejudice and/or bigotry. But they haven’t experienced racism. Therefore I consider such a line of questioning as a bit idiotic. Yet for some reason people feel a need to explore such a ludicrous line of questioning. Why?

      Undoubtedly, racism does exist. Racism by its very nature is ignornace. It is so ignorant, it has a whole lot of people believing that there is a “white race” in the world. By not knowing or ignoring this simple truth, it is that much easier to deceive people into further racist beliefs and behaviors.

      Finally, I abhor racism in any form or fashion. So if any find me to be racist in any way at all, please point out my flaw so I can elimininate it from myself. I want to live free of such an ignorant kind of hate that I would love anyone no matter the color of their skin…or the lack of it.

      • Alex

        However I assume you do not call “black’s” Africans…..

    • Daniel

      “the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

      prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”

      Racism is not the institutionalized disadvantages that blacks face in America, racism is the cause. Racism is a -categorical hate- for someone of another race. Period. Racism exists WORLDWIDE, between members of almost EVERY culture. It has existed for THOUSANDS of years, and will continue to exist.

      You can’t just change the definition of a word because you think your people suffered more under it’s name than another. Black slavery in America is barely a drop in the bucket compared to slavery as it’s existed throughout the ages….or exists today. As long as humans exist they will try to jockey power over one another.

      I’ll tell you exactly the type of thing that causes some whites to say they feel racism;

      When you grow up being the only white student (an immigrant, nonetheless) in your K-12 career being spat on, tied down, beaten on, and bullied because of what ‘your people’ did to slaves back then. When black teachers vilify all whites and make classes more difficult and grades work much more harshly.

      When colleges, grad schools, medical schools, etc. are forced to have some sort of racial stratification in their acceptance rates.

      No more is it about your ability to succeed in school via application, for some (not all), they just happen to get in because they just happen to be of the right ethnic (OR ECONOMIC, IT’S NOT ALL ETHNIC) background.

      This isn’t equality. Being forced to suffer consequences of a skewed game I had no part of skewing in the first place isn’t a solution.

      I’m all for education equality

      I’m all for equality in general, but it’s just that.

      We have to draw the line somewhere and say okay, you’ve got enough of a boost, it’s time to ride on your own abilities.

      In my mind ideally that starts in colleges.

      Unfortunately, as others have said. There is still a lot of categorical white-on-black racism.

      Colleges and employers can’t be trusted to look past race because they are really 12 year olds. So we have to litigate the fairness to make sure it at least TRIES to happen.

      But to all the normal, reasonable human beings it just seems like an unfair leg up.

      I’m in the music world, and in that world we have blind auditions. The person listening to you play has no idea what gender you are or what ethnicity, they have a number and that’s it. They pick the best number and whoever it is gets the gig.

      Maybe more things should be like that, instead of FOCUSING on the race of the person, we make it not a factor.

      That is when Racism will truly begone, when we stop considering it altogether.

      • Rhea

        You suggest getting rid of racism by avoiding the issue of race altogether. That’s actually less helpful. It doesn’t make us better people to ignore (or pretend to ignore) something like race. It’s too late for that. What needs to be done is for us to stop associating stuff with race. That is easier said than done, especially since race is tied up in so many other factors. But avoiding the issue of race because it’s been a problem for decades, or because it makes people uncomfortable to confront, or the majority feels its power slowly slipping away, or whatever…that’s no solution.

      • Tinysistah

        The money for colleges is within the white community. Actually, the money for everything is within the white community. There is still some disdain in white hearts toward black people. I have seen white communities become complete black communities because a black family moved in down the block. When a Hispanic/Black president was voted in by its constituents in our church, there was a mass exodus of white pastors and admins from our conference.

        If someone who is bullied by another bigger older more powerful person turns around one day and slaps the bully in the face, is that someone now a bully? Or is there another word for that? If a father verbally abuses his son for 17 years and then on his 18th birthday the son looks at his aged father and says “f u, Dad”, do we call the son abusive, or is there another word for that? Are the son and the someone being bullied really in the same category as the bully and the father?

        Undoubtedly, there will come a point when the someone being bullied and the son become the bully and the abuser. Maybe.

        I think there is a level of ignorance when we try to equate the “racism” of black people to that of the racism of white people. There must be another word for it.

        Arguably, hate is hate. But judgement is usually less black and white than that.

  • Andy Finney

    I think there are some serious issues regarding discrimination against both whites and blacks. But I do not think that blacks face the same amount of racism today that they may have gone through 50 years ago, and I think that, yes, white people may experience a little more racism than they did 50 years ago. Sadly, what I hear in the business community is something similar to the following statement:
    ” The only way NOT to be racist is to hire applicant ‘A’ who is black, even though applicant ‘B’, who is white is more qualified based on educational background and work experience. But if I hire the best fit for the company, I’m a racist. ”

    In other words, some morons are fixing racism with racism!!! Instead of shunning black people, we’ll shun the white people!! That isn’t a fix, it’s a turn-about!!

    If we want racism fixed and gone from things like business hiring for example, then we must get rid of the affirmative action laws!!! It is racially and gender biased to ORDER a company to hire a woman or a person of another race if a white man is qualified!!! Part of hiring for a company is knowing during interviews who is a good fit for the company through (A) educational background – do they have the degree that is needed, (B) work experience – do they have the experience in this job that we wish to bring onboard and that we think will be most helpful in our future endeavors, and ( C ) does their personality and attitude seem like a good fit with the rest of the team members with whom they will be working. You do NOT hire based on the color of skin or what dangles or doesn’t dangle from between their thighs!!

    But its laws like the Affirmative Action laws that KEEPS racism around. News pushing white on black or black on white or asian on white crimes as something major or bigger than they are. But the only black on black crime I hear about it shooting, and the only time I hear about white on white crime is robbery or man kills wife. We ALLOW or government and news agencies to control what stories we hear and see. Start hearing and seeing fro yourselves and we will see and end to racism.

    But back to the matter at hand… WHITE FOLKS!! HAVE YOU LOST YOUR DAMNED MINDS?!?!? We are being oppressed now?!?!? Phhhttttttt!!!

    • Rhea

      Unfortunately, though, we know that in the absence of AA, the white man always had a boost simply by virtue of his being white and male. It’s been proven that in the case of similar credentials and qualifications, a white man gets a boost over a black man, a white woman, and a black woman. Let’s get rid of the AA laws, and we continue to have the same problem, it’s just that the white men aren’t complaining anymore…

      • Tinysistah

        Perhaps we should have blind interviews for jobs with voice masking. That way, we can be sure we hire the person best suited for the job without the influence of sight and sound to bias our choices.

    • me

      I understand your point. But the black person may not be as qualified as the white person BECAUSE he is black and didnt have the opportunity to receive the same education or experience as the white person.

  • Jannet Messer

    As a southerner I see racism everyday from both races. I was a white child is a predominantly black high school, I was jumped by a group of black students who called me cracker and “white bitch” during the attack. As an adult I have not experienced this intensity of hatred but I have been harassed at work by coworkers and managers, again where I was a minority. One manager cursed at me and even shoved me, at another job I was referred to as “cracker” by coworkers until I quit. On the other hand I saw my ex boyfriend who was black get rude treatment from white people, he was so inured to it he didn’t realize it was racism. People who discriminate against the opposite race are the minority, even where I live, and it is the responsibility of the rest of us to treat everyone we come in contact with with kindness and respect to put a stop to the cycle of hatred and counteract the rough treatment that we all, at some point, experience.

  • College Student

    Using a 10 point likert scale has to lack reliability and validity. There are way to many options for this questionnaire. Try again.

  • Christina

    It is not essential if one race is suffering worse than the other. It is only essential that both sides come to an agreement that the only forward progression is forgiveness and acceptance. Unfortunately, the black American (as a whole) has more wounds to heal than the white American (as a whole), more steps to take, more mountains to climb. It makes the truth of the past a problem of the present, but not without warranting a solution. Yes, I can imagine effects are still felt as the world did not simply materialize mansions into Harlem or make a serious atonement for their crime.

    I say that the healthy people of the world who can be aware without judging and can be truthful without being biased, are the ones who should be in positions of power to change us from thinking like a victim to thinking like a human capable of love and the acceptance of all.

    It is hard to do that when we are arguing semantics about who is hurt worse.

  • http://www.stateoftheblackparent.org Reneegede

    Not according to the Justice Department and the FBI

    Racial bias

    In 2012, law enforcement agencies reported that 3,297 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses:

    66.1 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
    22.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
    4.1 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
    4.1 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
    3.3 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias. (Based on Table 1.)
    F B I

  • Christine

    Anybody who believes that needs to get their head checked. It goes to show that many in this country are ignorant, sheltered to a flaw, very sad!

  • Edward

    Let me dumb down the conversation a bit… The fact that you’re even having this discussion proves a certain point. Many of the comments are trying very hard to prove whites in general as racist. Isn’t that racist in itself to see white skin and label them? Reality is, there will always be a group of idiots from every race or ethnic background that doesn’t like another. The majority of white people simply don’t care what your race or ethnic background is. I think there’s a certain sense of racism when a black or Hispanic person claims they have a harder time qualifying for loans, education, wealth, jobs, etc. When I was in school, as a white person with a 4.0, did not qualify for any scholarships or grants. However, a Hispanic gentleman received a full scholarship for “most improved”. He went from failing to a 1.5-something. We see black and Hispanic people in very high positions, special loan programs for those of ethnic backgrounds and so on. I fail to see how that’s lack of opportunity. It’s a double standard to segregate white people from things such as Ms Black America, but racist if there was ever Ms White America. Look at Obama or Holder…. They are where they are, whether you like them or not, because of hard work. I promise nether of them hung out on street corners whith their pants sagging, tatoo on their neck, etc. which I see more and more in every race. The thug calling racism because he dressed up like a criminal to go to an interview at the bank. I personally believe the racism card gets used because its become a free pass. The reality is white, black, Hispanic or whatever you are… Life isn’t easy, nothing comes easy and nobody cares about your color or background until YOU point it out and start using it because something didnt go your way.

    • Lauren

      Amen.

  • Cillasi

    I think whites are losing their privilege faster than their sense of entitlement and that insecurity has led to the belief that racism is the cause. It hasn’t been too long ago that competition for jobs, housing, education and other economic benefits basically excluded everyone but whites. Even if candidates of other races or ethnic backgrounds applied, they posed no real economic threat. Economics is the fuel that drives racism. Economic stability or instability serves to define “us” and “them.” Things are still skewed in favor of whites in most parts of the country, but it isn’t as done a deal as it used to be.

  • Celeste

    Stephanie M. Wildman, in her book “Privilege Revealed: How Invisible Preference Undermines America,” writes that many Americans who advocate a merit-based, race-free worldview do not acknowledge the systems of privilege which benefit them. For example, many Americans rely on a social and sometimes even financial inheritance from previous generations. She argues that this inheritance is unlikely to be forthcoming if one’s ancestors were slaves. This new racism is a way to avoid the topic of racism and accusations of racial discrimination by historically marginalized and oppressed groups such as African Americans.

    This “new racism” operates under the assumption that we are living in a world that is “post-race.” This includes lines of reasoning such as “My ancestors didn’t own slaves” without looking at the larger social mechanisms in which racism operates. In an article in the journal New Directions for Student Services, Nancy Evans and Robert Reason argued that color-blindness fails to see the “structural, institutional, and societal” levels at which inequalities occur.

  • Juan

    oohhh the alleged “reverse racism”or “anti-white racism”is just mere BS. Are ther racism againts whites? sure, but nothing compared with an institutionalized and sterotypical form of racism than non-whites, especially blacks, are living

  • Changa Masomakali

    Wow. great discussion. But usually white people and black people are talking about 2 different things when it comes to racism.

    WHITE MEANING OF RACISM=PREJUDICE, BIGOTRY

    BLACK MEANING = PREJUDICE, BIGOTRY + POWER OF INDIVIDUALS AND INSTITUTIONS…

    Until white people understand that black folks have a deeper understanding of racism, the way this country works and how it all affect white and black people, then this conversation and the country will not move forward.

  • Kelly

    Being white and from the south I can say there were times when I was made to feel different and unwanted on purpose.
    Slavery has happened in every country and to every ethnic group.
    If the black people think they had it hard, they probably ought to talk to some older Jewish people who were driven out of countries for their religion.
    African Blacks sold other African blacks to slave traders, for profit.
    There are still ethnic groups around the world that are enslaved, currently and right now. If the idea of someone having their rights taken and having their futures decided by those who only see profit, get off your high horse and activity do something about slavery around the world.
    Yes there is racism on both sides, there is racism between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. Head over to Ireland and look at the protestant and catholic. America has hardly been the worst and we are activitly changing how view people and cultures (most of us are trying to anyway).
    Downsizing how other people feel they are treated as a group does not justify or validate how you have, or your ancestors have, been treated.

    • KDelphi

      Seems to be mostly southerners who feel that way—must mean something! (about them)

      Of course there is white on black racism in US, it was part of the founding (slavery). Soon, whites will be a minority and then what? I think the US is doomed, because there is just a general lack of giving a damn about each other…cannot last. In fact, is south split again, i think they should be allowed to go. No questions asked

    • Aaron

      I will agree with you to some extent, that slavery is not factored exclusively among African Americans here in the United States, however there is a phycological difference as well as a material difference to the types of oppression and length of it compared to other racial groups. Albeit, Jews in my opinion historically would be most comparable to the suffering experienced by Blacks considering what they went through as a Race. That does not mean that you should belittle another Race or oppression with terms like “get off your high horse.” I would like to point out that our horse is not high (if we even have one) precisely because racism and antiblackness still exist in the modern world. You should not compare Jews, to the experience of Blacks to deligitimize one or the other. That is inherently problematic.

      The second point I would like to point out is that, you mentioned that there was still slavery in the modern world and that should be an excuse to stop complaining about the social morality of things. No. Just plain and simple. I would make the argument that; that system functions to maintain the dominance of the European/Eurocentric Race (Whites) in effort to gtain labor. That is an independent factor in that cause existing. African Americans can’t change that precisely because we are still going through our own struggle.

    • Aaron

      Also, I would like to correct you on the comparisson between the violence going on between protestents and catholics in other countries that you speak of. Uhhhh…. That’s not racism. It is not in either definition because it has nothing to do with Race. That is religion and theology. Must have the facts straight.

      In fact, the protestent reformation and the Catholic desripiancy started in Europe independent of Race and racism. It was a scrupple between upper/middle class citezens of mideival Europe in attempt to reform the Catholic Church during the protestent reformation.

  • Zaidi

    If that’s what they (white people) feel, then it confirms just how far down they are into the bottomless pit of Denial! Either that, or THEY’RE INSANE!

  • felipe

    according to the 2010 census, there were 223,553,265 white people in the USA and these researchers talked to 209 of them or 0.00000093%, or less than 1/1,000,000 of 1%. The sample size for blacks was a little better clocking in at 0.0000053% of the population of 38,929,319.

    Does anybody reading this think that survey group so infinitesimally small (for both blacks and whites) actually yields accurate results for either group as a whole?

    Not to mention that geographic scope of the study is so vague as to be pointless. You could ask 1 person from each state their opinions and the remaining 158/159 responses could be from the deep south, yet the researchers could still honestly state it was a ‘nationwide’ poll.

  • Deb

    Please understand that the definition of racism is that one’s own race is superior to others. Whites suffer from prejudice and bigotry, but not racism. In the U.S. whites are the majority holders of racial superiority as the concepts of race and racism were built to support the African slave trade. Go to: http://www.understandingrace.org/home.html

    CREATING RACE tells the story of how the idea of race in the United States was forged in response to economic, social, and political forces. An increasing dependence on forced labor in the 17th and 18th centuries resulted in the transition from indentured servitude to a legalized system of permanent slavery of Africans, imported in increasing numbers to the United States. This system of oppression did not go unchallenged; many pointed out the hypocrisy of slavery in light of an American Revolution espousing equality and democratic ideals. To rationalize this contradiction, white political elites raised questions about whether blacks were somehow biologically different and inferior. Scientists, embedded in the culture of their time, presumed existing human variation supported this notion.

  • Kiffanik

    This is what happens when the dictionary is controlled by white people, they get to manipulate words. “Racism” used to be about actions and behaviors that had tangible effect on life, until white people needed to be victims of it to. Now it’s feelings and a whole bunch of bs. When people of color talk institutional racism we are talking about the fact that a white person with a criminal record is more likely to be called back about a job than a black person with no record. We’re talking about educational policies re – written to penalize the poor right after the Civil Rights Movement while we were still economically locked out. We’re talking about whole towns of black homes and businesses destroyed out of fear of competition. A drug policy that sent coke dealers to college and crack dealers to prison. A systematic attack on our personhood to the point that a white person taking a black life is 300% more likely to get off than if they take a white life. I could go on and on and on and on. Let’s be clear, racism isn’t about liking people. White people have always liked- been entertained by, attracted to, willing to allow their children to be raised by, black people. They’ve respected and stolen our ideas since we got hear (smallpox vaccination came from a slave) that has never done us a singular bit of collective food. Privilege is the right to not know, hence the prevalence of people who have no clue what they are talking about. Most white people couldn’t survive being black in this country for a month.

  • David G

    Equality is about taking power from a historically favored group and redistributing that power to historically oppressed, typically, minority groups. In the context of the US I have no doubt that some whites, in particular, older white males, view the current atmosphere of the US as anti-white and racist against them. In actuality, it is simply an equalization of power. A simply analogy. If you’ve always been used to riding in the front seat, and never had anyone ask you, or demand of you to ride in the back with everyone else ,you might find those sudden demands or requests as discriminatory or hostile–that everyone else is picking on you. The reality is they are not. It’s simple math. In order for everyone to win equally, those who hold a monopoly on power and privilege must be willing to cede some of those very things.

    • Edward

      Also, while a great analogy about sitting in the front seat, I think something missed in “equality” is why that person is sitting in the front seat. That front seat is generally earned, therefore there is a natural push-back when someone else feels the right to that seat for the sake of equality rather than the actual achievement that earns the seat. I personally worked long, hard hours to earn my seat. I spent my time sitting in the back seat and even walking, with envy of anybody that had a seat. Now it seems “equality” becomes the argument to skip the walking stage, sitting in the back seat and jump straight to the front. It’s not racist to have that push-back… I’ll happily move over when you “equally” earn my seat.

      • Jen W

        “Why that person is sitting in the front seat”….”That front seat is generally earned.” Now there’s a theme for a huge discussion. I used to get angry when anyone mentioned “white privilege” because I knew my parents both worked their way up from poor family situation, and had no “privileged” background. I just did not understand that “white privilege” refers to the unequal “playing field” set up in society through centuries of domination of the legal, economic and financial systems, set up purposely to consolidate power. The resulting privilege I experience today is that by being a white “well-spoken” female I find it not so hard to get a job or a place to live, and a police officer would never dream of stopping and frisking me. How is that my personal achievement?

  • Sean Young

    What some of you are failing to realize is that racism in our day and age stems from the lack of understand between different races and cultures. Not often do people of different races and different social classes socialize with each other. For example, it isn’t likely that you would see a rich Caucasian family having a picnic with a poor African American or Black at a park together often. People tend to stick with those who live a similar lifestyle as thiers. Which usually means the rich Whites stick together. The poor whites stick together. The rich blacks stick together. And the poor blacks stick together. Because of this, both races aren’t very connected. This is the barrier. Then we watch tv and see people of different colors and are made to believe that the depictions are true. Also, in some families, parent teach their children elitism, where the child is made to believe that their race is superior to others.Then, we are taught of these people through school, where we learn about all the ‘great whites’ and the oppressed blacks. This in my opinion is where the hate and racism builds. We all get different stories depending on who we learn from. I believe that whites definitely have it better because more often than not, they learn their history from their own race, in opposed to blacks and other races who usually learn from whites as well (because regardless of race, teachers are taught from the same books too). My point is, if we all understood each others cultures, and maybe got out of our segregated boxes, maybe we all wouldn’t be forced to accept the racist prejudices that we all inherit simply because we are afraid to ‘cross the train tracks’.

  • Edward

    Well, I also think (based on commentary above) that the definition of “racism” is manipulated to support individual arguments and positions. For example where a white person is saying “I have nothing against others with different ethnic backgrounds” you see the definition change to a superiority idea from a hate issue. Then the white person replies “I don’t think I’m better than anyone” and the definition of racism changes again to support the new argument. Just as you see other comments turn racism into a question of equality and so forth. Unfortunately, the simple reality goes right back to a simple point… There is a sence of racism implied against white people if/when the definition of the word is changed and altered to suit the most convenient situation in trying to prove whites are “more racist”. If there wasn’t a strong opinion against whites, there wouldn’t be such a strong need to adjust the meaning of the word to compensate for any argument. That is racist if you’re trying that hard to place a label on a certain race.

    In the argument of different cultures, I don’t think it’s a valid argument for racism. Sure, I don’t eat dinner with most Hispanics… Has nothing to do with race, I just can’t handle some of their food choices. Just as Indian (from India) people don’t want anything to do with my love for beef. It’s not racial at all, just different cultures and there’s nothing wrong with it. It’s cute to say “let’s all get along” and learn to understand, but again as mostly adults that have tried different things, we know what we like and what we don’t. It’s not a race issue, “just not my thing” and the person that can’t accept that answer probably does have a racial or superiority issue.

  • Stewart

    “An *astounding* 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination.”

    - 11% is not an astounding number, and no objective journalist would use that manipulative adjective in any event (and it is written by the author — not quoted).

    “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” According to the source-study article title.

    - By the stats cited here, at 89%, the vast majority who self-identify as Caucasian do not believe this is true to that extent. This, despite the fact that on every EOE application, applicants are indeed asked to self-dentify both racially and as male or female for “reporting” purposes — a distinction many applicants would not be sophisticated enough to decipher.

    Which brings me to this: The mere fact that the group self-identifies as Caucasian or “white” to begin with is bound to skew the results; while I might be among the 89% who don’t believe this, I never self-identify as Caucasian (or “white”) — despite being categorized that way by others — so my opinion wouldn’t be counted.

  • Joe Edwards

    I’m not surprised by the study findings but am surprised that no one in the Comments section has discussed the power of the right-wing media (specifically Fox News) in shaping the opinions of “white Americans”.

  • Benjamin Cooley Hall

    A challenge to those who believe that racism (prejudice+power+privilege) is gone in the U. S.: On April 16, 2008, Mr. Thomas McGowan was released after 37 years of wrongful imprisonment for a crime he did not commit. The photograph accompanying the story says a lot about the condition in our country today. It pictures Mr. McGowan, a Black man, between two White men, presumably his lawyers, all holding their hands together, raised up in the air in celebration. While this certainly is a joyous event, the photograph also makes a sad and sobering point. On the day when we see a photograph of two Black lawyers (both women) holding up the hands of a White man in celebration of the overturning of his wrongful conviction after decades of unjust incarceration, we can start to wonder if racism is waning. Of course, I hope this never happens to any man or woman, but the color lines in the 2008 version are not accidental.

  • Michael

    This is only in response to Brett Smithton. Why move on, but we are told to remember 9/11 etc. YOU move on! I will remember history like I’m told to and I will NOT move on and forget. Forgive yes, never forget what my 68 year old father experienced in KY. I will not forget racism against me at only 32. I am a Person Of Color. You benefit from white privelage. I am successful, but there is no telling where I’d be if I wasn’t hindered by white people. I’m done. Most white people will never understand. Only few will. Also this is my opinion. I don’t care who agrees or disagrees. I’m educated and established and I work hard and fight for advancement, but racism is real, it’s taught, and I get tired of people telling other to move on, but will remember other atrocities in history.

  • Samson

    What’s lacking is any real sense of closure; the ability to move on. Whites feel that this issue is one that is consantly dangled around their neck and as such feel resentment. That resentment is misplaced however; there has been no recompense nor national acknowledgement of the depth to which white America sunk in establishing and maintaining slavery, nor any willingness to accept ongoing discrimination. Instead there is endless backpedaling, revisionist history lessons and outright denial.

    Any real honesty would involve the asking of the victims what it would be that they need in order to move on, and then providing it, no matter the cost and regardless if whether it causes humiliation or frustration in the doing.

    The anger is misplaced, if any genuine anger is held by white America, it should be towards the generations that failed to make right what has been wrong for so long.

    This problem is not going to go away by talking about it only, nor will it be understood if white people refuse to listen or make the conversation about themselves. At the moment there is two Americas, not north and south, but black and white.

    At some point in the near future, it will be a brown America and the rest of the world will follow whether people like it or not.

    There’s a simple choice for white people who value white supremacy now; be remembered with hate or with distain.

    The time to have been remembered with kindness has well since passed.

  • Robson62

    White people were no mass enslaved by colored people in any period of history, they were never likewise forbidden to be educated, to enjoy liberties, to achieve a house, to get a job by colored people because of the fact they were white. No, there’s no way to compare at all!!!

    • c684570

      This is 2014, not 1814. In case you missed that bit.

      • Angel

        You seem to have missed a great deal yourself. Get out a little more, will you?

      • Armond

        in 1814…people had a few more excuses to justify their oppression of those they viewed as less than human

        are you now suggesting…that in 2014…to really hate best…that we don’t need…no excuses…that we…just get her done…because we want to

        and sorry for me…for having lived to have seen…people swinging from a tree…gunned down in their front yard…blown up in their churches…in acts of violent terrorism…simply for being black…and thinking they had the same rights…of white people

        sorry that you so rightly view my life…as nothing but ancient history…and with your voice of privilege…must now understand…how much it never ever really mattered

        in the words of Drake…Misbehavior

        and in the words of AK-Bron….Yo Soy Culero

    • Fleb Flebbers

      Incorrect. Your assertions reflect your historical illiteracy and your prejudice. ‘Whites’ were captured and enslaved by middle-easterners, literally for thousands of years. They even worked as slaves to build the pyramids.

      Your labeling of every non-caucasian as ‘colored people’ is exclusionary and racist. ‘Whites’ are no different than so-called ‘colored people’, they share many of the historical experiences.

      • Armond

        and does this in turn….give anyone an excuse to be racist today

        but when we speak of this nation…the historical facts are overwhelmingly clear…white Americans have a lot of soul searching to do…just to free themselves…from their own…hateful prison

        which colors everything they see…and hides them from their own true conditions…and from the color…of their own true enemy and inner demons

    • Lisa Hancock

      You are wrong the Irish people were enslaved before the Africans were, and then the Irish girls were bred to the African men to make Mulatto slaves for the pretty skin tone. That was until the slave travers decided it cut their money and had laws written to prevent it. Also the Irish were kept as slaves , in “Indentured Servitude” well into the industrial revolution…Little Irish kids were used as chimney sweeps and entire families lived in attics hoping not to freeze in the winter…check your history books

      • Armond

        so much with the recent experiment with legalized marijuana…some people it seems…have forgotten to exhale…wonder if maybe…it could be genetic…or possibly the synergistic effects…of potatoes and cabbage

  • Dark Age Fire

    Race is real. Genetic research has confirmed the very real differences beyond mere physical features. Race is NOT a social construct. Society is a racial construct.

    Asia for the Asians. Africa for the Africans. White countries for everybody.

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE
    problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white
    country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan,
    but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing
    in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY
    white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e.,
    intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem
    would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought
    into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE
    problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of
    genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable
    conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    • Angel

      You are woefully misinformed. Netherlands and all of europe combined do not carry as much population as China, Japan OR India. Please at least TRY to stick to facts instead of false (lying) talking points. This makes YOU inferior.

      • Dark Age Fire

        Apparently you’ve never been introduced to the concept of density. LOL!!

        • Angel

          You appear to be VERY familiar with the concept that you are exceptionally dense. :P

  • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

    We can’t stop white people from believing silly things.
    All we can do is prepare and protect ourselves just in case such thoughts turn into actions. {{-_-}}

    • Vivian Lee

      You are a racist and proud of it!

      • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

        Really now? So how many white people have I lynched or burned lately? You see Black people donating large amounts of money to white people’s killers lately? {{-_-}}

        • MeanQueenJo .

          You don’t have to kill anyone to be racist… Just because someone has white skin doesn’t mean we have a microchip in our head that could turn on at any moment and make us secretly want to destroy you…you have been fed serious crap if you believe that. We are human beings just like you. You have a serious superiority complex if you think like that. (Or were you told that people that look like you can;t have that?? :0 )And yes, black panthers…many others. And by the way…how many black women get raped and mutilated everyday in africa for the fun of it?? Raids and genocide?? But do I think all black people are evil killers? nope. That would be ridiculous. You focus too much on superficial differences. I doubt Vivian Lee has killed or burned anyone?? How are you going to judge someone by the color of their skin? Yes it seems you are racist. And yoda wouldnt be very proud of you

          • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

            Show me where I made any of those claims about white people aside from the ones addressed in the article. Now you’re creating straw men and putting words in my mouth. I don’t have to respond to that.

            What about the Black Panthers? I’d like to know which media lie you’d like to repeat to me about the Panthers.

            We Africans can take care of our own problems without your help, it’s none of your business and it is also quite irrelevant to the conversation. Not to mention completely disrespectful. On top of that, it provides an EXCELLENT grounds for me to say you’re a racist.

            There is nowhere in history you can point out where Black people have EVER oppressed white people. So calling ANY Black person a racist only makes you look stupid. {{-_-}}

          • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

            So the Black Panthers sent or raised MONEY to white people’s killers? You sure about that?

            Proof. Now. {{-_-}}

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Privilege is code used to treat people who are not racist as if they were so you can validate using the government to steal their wealth.

    • pwlsax

      What an astoundingly stupid comment. It’s all about your money and “their” gummint. I imagine everything else is, too.

      • GoodbyeUSA

        It may sound stupid to you because you have spent your entire life listening to the sound of one hand clapping. “Privilege” represents the shifting linguistics of the left. First they called people out for racism. But when people stopped discriminating and expressing racist beliefs, the terms shifted to “institutionalized” racism, and “subconscious attitudes”. Nowadays, so many white people are actually going out of their way to provides preferences to blacks and latinos that the linguists had to define a new term that was absent a mens rea, a culpability standard. That terms is “privilege”. It means you have a duty to fix a problem that you have no responsibility for creating.

        • pwlsax

          “when people stopped discriminating and expressing racist beliefs”

          And on what faraway planet has THAT already happened?

          You jumped out of the stupid pan and into the fire right there.

          • GoodbyeUSA

            The overwhelming majority of white people in America are way past racism. They want black people to get educated and find jobs. They simply don’t want the burden of taking care of them. And they resent being told they are starting on third base. On the other hand, every liberal argument depends upon white people either being stupid or racist (mean). For example, liberals (think Paul Krugman) want to argue that the economy will be better if we just spend more govt money. So, if you follow that to its logical conclusion, white people that oppose stimulus spending are actually fighting against something that will benefit them. That would be irrational. So, the logic in the argument requires that those conservative, those white people, those tea-partiers are either against being more prosperous because they are stupid, or spiteful and mean (read: racist). All liberal arguments follow this path. Clinton used to say we could create more jobs by going green. Think about that. To oppose going green then, you must rather prefer a shittier environment and less money. Who would choose that? Oh yeah, a stupid person. It couldn’t be that improving the environment actually trades off some prosperity.

          • Angel

            So let me get this straight: you think that white people who complain about being asked to help society STOP the CURRENT injustices against black people are NOT racist (such as yourself) and that all conservatives are not only “right on” but white? And all black people feel sorry for themselves and want to pull the country down by spending all the government money and hence are liberals?

            Your attitude not only bespeaks loudly of your stupidity, but the fact that you are racist yourself, not just a bigot but a completely blind moron as well. If a majority of white people think like you, then it seems obvious where the problem lies: BRAIN DAMAGE.

          • GoodbyeUSA

            LIke every stupid liberal your argument begs the question. Welfare is not “helping society STOP the CURRENT injustices against black people.” It is just welfare, a handout. What most conservatives want is self-reliance in the minority communities. But you make my point, by your use a strawman argument–trying to put words in my mouth. Liberals always do that too. They start by telling you what you think (rephrasing your position so as to say something different that is easier to attack).

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Way to prejudge all “older white males”. You are what you despise. Racism will always exists because stupid humans will always think in classifications and generalities like you do.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    White people are putting the brakes on all the racial preferences favored identity groups have been receiving for decades. If you think you are frustrated now, wait til you are truly treated like everyone else.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Yeah, like how black people cannot get into good colleges or get scholarships despite having way better grades than whites. Oh wait, that’s backwards.

  • Flibberdy Gibbet

    I love hippies. =D

  • Gina James

    You, sir, are right on target! I couldn’t care less what color or race someone is. I determine whether I want to be friends with someone based on their personality and behavior. Everyone else I know feels the same way. People who keep bringing up their color, and complaining about how another group is “oppressing” them or “holding them back” in this day and age are just looking for an excuse to not get out and make something of themselves. There are too many opportunities available to ANY previous minority group just for the asking. People, if you’re willing to work hard and make something of yourself, go to your local college or university. Get a freely available government grant. Become educated in your chosen field, and work your tail off to become successful like all other successful people do. But for Pete’s sake, if you’re not willing to apply for the grants, and work hard, then don’t complain that you’re being “held back” or “pressed down” by another race. No one is holding you back. What are you waiting for? Please take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming others for your lack of success.

  • c684570

    How is wanting to be in the majority “supremacy”? Are Chinese people supremacists for being the majority in China? How about Indians in India?

    • Cheyenne

      They are supremacists if they insist on reserving rights to themselves which they withhold from their minorities.

      • August

        Please tell me how YOUR credit score, YOUR grades from school, YOUR effort and actions in life have been given to you? The things i just mentioned are earned by an individual with NO factor of race or color, and these are the things that dictate were we end up (financially speaking). It is a proven fact that people who have high GPA’s in school, also have high credit scores and land the jobs in there respective fields. Regardless of race or color…its also a fact that those who have poor grades, also have poor credit scores and have a lack of education and job opportunities, regardless of race or color. If you expect me to believe anything but this then save your time and dont. I dont live in a fantasy world where i believe i should be rewarded for doing nothing then claiming someone is holding me down…

        • August

          Cheyenne its crazy that i have to explain this to you…NOTHING is this world is 100% in any debate. There are always people that buck a trend or a truth of statistics. Its called the majority!!!! My point holds true for the MAJORITY.

          • Angel

            None of what you said has any merit or is factual in any way shape or form. The onljy thing you have done is to display your own infantile ignorance. Especially when you said outright that you refuse to learn differently. You are willfully ignorant. That means you are the worse sort of person to breed more of for any country, regardless of race.

          • August

            Angel…i am not even sure where to start with someone like you…but i will give it a try! You “claim” that race plays a factor in credit rating. By all means enlighten me! You call me infantile and ignorant, because i stated what i would consider a fact, based on my expert knowledge (owned a mortgage company and did credit repair). What are your credentials? I must have missed the memo when i was helping people restore/improve there credit! I never knew i could send over something to the 3 main credit companies stating that they were in fact white so they could recieve your imaginary 200 point increase in there score (200 points is used as example of an increase for being white). Next and possibly worse is your assumption that having a high GPA doesnt translate into success. I realize there are exceptions to these things but i am talking a majority! I am actually an exception myself..i graduated by 2/10th’s of a percentage point (.02) which is a D– and i have acheived more success (by worldly standards) than anyone i graduated with. You “claim” a lot of BS and yet you provide NOTHING to support it. My “claims” are standard knowledge with nothing more needed than a google search to provide all the “proof” you need. Yet when i google the garbage you said, there is NOT 1 credible article, study, statistic to back up your claims. I not sure what is worse, your complete lack of sense or that 4 other idiots up voted you…and to respond to your “i am not willing to learn” comment. I learn something new every day! My opinions do change from time to time, but what i stated here will NOT be one of those times due to MY EXPERT knowledge…i just pray that your children are smarter than your dumbass!!!!

          • Vivian Lee

            Please calm down and try to argue like an adult Angel.

        • Angel

          Where do you get your “facts”? You are in fact misinformed. Race does figure in credit ratings and GPA has no place in it. What’s more, many who were once droppouts have now achieved graduate status at major league colleges. So none of your so-called “facts” ring true. Race makes a huge difference in employment and living status. GPA has nothing to do with anything and in fact is a long forgotten relic of highschool. I take it you’ve only graduated from Highschool and have not become college educated? Had you been further educated (and thus less stupid than you apparently are) you would have known all of these things without having to be corrected.

          • Vivian Lee

            Race isn’t even on the credit card application. Grade point is still important for admission to quality universities and colleges. I wonder about Angel’s education. If she went to collage she would know about GPA

          • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

            As someone who works in higher education your post is nonsensical. As someone who looks at grades, attendance etc. The more successful students do indeed have higher gpa’s. better jobs and a ceratin drive that others don’t. regardless of their skin color.

    • iplanonit

      Your argument doesn’t make any sense. The Chinese and Indians are living on land that has been their racial and cultural home for eons. Are you trying to equate that white Americans (who ALL arrived on ships at various times and decimated the original People) are of a unified racially-identifiable culture and thus have the right to be the majority more so than the black Americans (or any other race for that matter) who arrived on ships before the later waves of an immigration boom?

      I could see a warped version of your argument being used to fuel the pro-Nationalist sentiment of some European nations, but the US is not the home and birth right of whites.

    • Angel

      The fact is, you are NOT in the Majority. You CANNOT be in the Majority. Evolution is eliminating your kind as we speak. You are the old; those of us who are brown are the new and the better model. Get used to it, or as the wise writer above said, be remembered with hatred and disdain.

      • Leonardo Jordão

        This is an unequivocal expression of anti-white racism. Lass, you need a shrink.

      • Fleb Flebbers

        You’re white, you idiot.

        • Angel

          And you’re blind. I am a black latina! Stupid.

          • Fleb Flebbers

            You are probably about 2 percent black, and 5 percent “latina”. The only thing that is for sure is that you are 100 percent racist, and 100 percent pathetic.

          • Angel

            Nice try/guess but I am 50% Mayan and 35% black. The rest is admittedly white and I have nothing against white people, but they have never included me and they never will to the best of my experience. I don’t really care if you or anyone else thinks I’m racist. The things I’ve been thru as a first gen mixed child and the things I hear from idiots like you who “think” (can you call this pattern ideas “thinking”??) I’m white is just pure devilish incredible. Maybe if you stood in my shoes a little while you’d think twice about ALL your statements regarding both myself AND the article.

            I am the most mixed person you’ll ever meet. I have asian kids (India and Philippines) so if I’m NOT a particular race, chances are I’ve born that race with my own body. So take an international one fingered salute from Mama UN!

          • Angel

            And if it comes right down to it, I don’t look “white”. I look pure Latina! I’m also fortunate not to look as old as I am. I look like a kid but I’m old enough to be a grandmother! See- looks can be (and frequently are) decieving!

          • Angel

            And if it comes right down to it, I don’t look “white”. I look pure Latina! I’m also fortunate not to look as old as I am. I look like a kid but I’m old enough to be a grandmother! See- looks can be (and frequently are) decieving!

          • JQ

            Get over it were all white. When your in your grave buried in ground and maggots eat away that beautiful flesh of yours and your organs rot away all that will be left are your bones. WHITE bones.

          • Angel

            Well you can start your life when you’re dead if you want. It’s your prerogative. But I’m alive NOW in a BEIGE body! lol Besides this conversation isn’t about dead people. It’s about the racism and predjudices that people live with NOW.

            No ONE race is “better” than the other. But certain races DO get more mistreated than others. To deny this simple fact is to deny gravity.

          • JQ

            Your definitely right that certain races get mistreated, no debating that. But I propose this, if i don’t like to eat a certain food, let’s say fish, am I a racist and bigot against fish. No I am not because the reason I don’t eat fish is because I don’t like it. No matter how I try an alter the taste of this fish I still won’t eat it. Same goes for people, I don’t like certain types of people that doesn’t make me a racist. Evolution has given us these traits for a reason.

          • Angel

            That would be all good and great except for the thousands of people who are incarcerated unfairly for race alone. Look at all the people who spend decades in jail for crimes they never committed, or who get killed by police for something they have no control over like race, income, etc. It does no good to just stay away from morons when the moronacy is embedded in the legal systems where you live and it just might strike you to either disable, kill or incarcerate you at any time. Denying it won’t do any good either.

          • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

            Oh so like the white guy that was killed by police in florida in his own home? or the mass amounts of innocent whites in the prison system

          • Vivian Lee

            Pity people like you have to be so racist and mistreat other races. You really need to seek therapy Angel.

          • Vivian Lee

            Stop being such a racist idiot Angel. If you can’t contribute to the discussion, go somewhere else.

      • August

        I wish i would have read this post of yours before i responded to another ignorant post of yours….you are nothing more than a welfare hood rat and a racist one at that! People like you i wont even have a discussion with due to your lack of anything that could be considered credible! Btw…NO i wont pay your water bill! Get a JOB!

      • Vivian Lee

        You really need to take a few biology classes Angel, hopefully that would cut through your overbearing racism.

      • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

        The new what? oh idiot child. The majority of the world is already brown. lol. New and better model? I guess for all your spewing about how dumb people are, you have no clue about things like genetics that shows that what you call Europeans are evolved from all our ancestors. they are niehter better or worse than us. we are neither better or worse than them.

    • Armond

      see what happens…when you try to bait and switch

      people Google and find the true answer

      while you keep snorting that…white powder

  • Cheyenne

    Anybody who believes that there is nore racism in this country directed against whites by blacks than against blacks by whites is clueless, willfully blind and galactically stupid.

    • Angel

      Could not have said it better myself.

    • Vivian Lee

      Please use spell check next time

      • Cheyenne

        nore=more. Typo.

        • Armond

          why is it…when you make a valid point…they only point to the fact…that you forgot a period

    • TheTruthIsHere

      I suppose that’s how you justify over 30,000 white women being raped by black men every year in the US alone? How about whites not being able to own land in Zimbabwe, or the fact that in Zimbabwe and South Africa there is a government supposed genocide of the white population? What about the fact that in the US 90% of interracial crime between blacks and whites is black on white? How about the fact that blacks commit far more hate crimes than whites? Is all of this justified to you? Do you really support it?

      You’re clearly an anti-white bigot that despises the existence of white people and will do anything you can to support the victimization and oppression of white peoples around the globe. You do this by dismissing these things, or making excuses to justify it. You are the scum of humanity.

      • Cheyenne

        Oh honey, go put on your pointed white sheet and pretend you matter to somebody. You pathetic little twerp.

        • TheTruthIsHere

          Oh honey, I didn’t realize the acknowledgement of irrefutable crime statistics provided by the government likened one to a supposed racist organization. Way to prove my point. One can only hope you’re the next rape victim, you anti-white bigot. After all, you so easily dismiss those more than 30,000 white rape victims all to appease your white guilt. I may not matter much (as most don’t), but at least I’m content knowing that, unlike you, I’m not a complete and utter hindrance to the progression of society. You’re disgusting. We’d all be better off if you were dead.

          I wonder, do you enjoy watching videos of the “knock out game,” where hoards of black men attack elderly white men and women from behind? I bet you do. That’s your thing after all.

          Like I said, you’re disgusting…

      • Armond

        only 16% of all rapes are reported to police
        75% of rapes by relatives…close friends and current or former husbands…never reported to the police
        those relatives…friends…husband…overwhelmingly will be of the same race
        but when we look closely at the rules of your game…the truth in the numbers…do not matter
        86,000 rapes reported last year…over half of all rapes reported…were those committed by white non-Hispanics…not to be confused…with those committed…by white Hispanics
        so that leaves…no more that 40,000 left…of reported forcible rapes
        my oh my…these numbers raise a question…or are all rapes…only those of white women
        yet…reports all show…white women and black women being raped at the same rate
        so is it true…what has been claimed…that the black man…is out to get the white woman
        and what are we ever to do…when studies now suggest…that in truth…men are raped…more often than women in the US…just not reported
        and 98% of male on male rapist…report that they are heterosexual in their orientation
        and when we look at male-on-female rapist…what do we find…again…those heterosexual…thugs and animals
        seems someone wishes to confuse us…over whether the rapist was circumcised…or was he playing it safe…and wearing a jacket

  • Wendy Wilkins Valdez

    It’s called delusional thinking. Not that whites haven’t experienced negative racial stereotypes in their lives by those who are traditionally on the receiving end of it. But, there’s a HUGE difference in being occasionally profiled racially by someone who doesn’t have a clue or who should know better and REGULARLY being profiled racially on a basis by people who should ALSO know better!

  • Spacedog1973

    For all the white folks in denial mode, those who insist adding their rather pointless interjections – who are you writing for? Who are you trying to convince other than yourself? The argument can’t be won on the internet by speaking into a vast chasm.

    • Vivian Lee

      What are you babbling about space?

  • Leonardo Jordão

    A good sociologist will not dismiss out of hand the possibility that
    some of these whites are right about their own particular situations and
    contexts. Since racism is first and foremost an individual’s
    racially-based hostile disposition towards other individuals, it is
    logically possible for it to be found among non-whites even when whites
    make up a majority of the population. In fact, it is indisputable that
    anti-white racism has become a frequent feature of life in some
    inner-city neighbourhoods in the United States. (The phenomenon now
    known as “polar bear hunting” is an example of this trend.) Why is it so
    difficult for so-called progressives to come to terms with this?

    • Angel

      You have it wrong. Racism is a group attitude and disposition, not merely those of an individual. Furthermore you overestimate your own intelligence by far. You are a most unintelligent human being.

      • Leonardo Jordão

        Do your homework. Drop your dogmatic and immature attitude and study the problem of methodological individualism. A good starting point is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, which is freely available online. Enjoy it!

        • Angel

          My brain is an encyclopaedia. And it doesn’t change the fact that you are mis-defining racism from a societal perspective. Individualism does nothing to address the institutionalized racism that affects minorities the most. YOU need to go back and study.

          • Leonardo Jordão

            Sorry to spoil your deranged ego trip, but you are dead wrong. The concept of structural racism is a bogus creation of second-rate sociologists. Anyone with a firm grasp of Max Weber’s “Economy and society” knows why. So stop spouting nonsense, and go get learned, lass.

          • Spacedog1973

            Its pointless trying to redifine concepts that have been defined by people far more intelligent than you espcially on the internet. Your attempt to do this more than anything you have said demonstrates your overall ineptitude and foolishness

          • mike black

            THIS ;)

          • mike black

            exactly! it’s rather troubling that a number of wht-americans view/define American racism the way that Leo J does; where the systemically-based power issue is the fat ole elephant in the room ;)

  • Dikran Tulaine

    I imagination is a good human faculty, then it drifts into fantasy. The study shows and promotes a massive and dangerous delusion. As a white person I never, ever experience discrimination in America. The report did not ask for examples of discrimination or did not publish them. Perhaps the study is based on what people “feel?” What we feel and what is true are often very distant cousins.

    • Leonardo Jordão

      You are ONE white person. What makes you think that millions and millions of people who share your skin colour also share your sheltered existence?

      • Dikran Tulaine

        Very unsheltered existence. And I am only speaking of my experience. The article does not give a single instance of discrimination. Neither can you.

        • Leonardo Jordão

          The article is not supposed to give any instances of discrimination. It is a quick description of a study focusing on the distribution of certain opinions, not on their logical status. If you are indeed looking for instances of anti-white discrimination, you can hardly do better than learn about the US Supreme Court decisions dealing with this problem. (For example, google “Gratz versus Bollinger”.) And you have not answered my question. (Your existence might be unsheltered in many respects, but not when it comes to racial discrimination, as you yourself admit.)

          • Dikran Tulaine

            If white people think or imagine they are being discriminated against, that is what the article is saying. I think that is delusional. I answered your question. I am not speaking for millions I am speaking for myself. And if evidence of an unsheltered existence is a sense of grievance or fantasy of discrimination I sincerely pity the livers of that life.. Ah yes. The US Supreme court. Hardly an oracle of truth in my world.

          • Leonardo Jordão

            If you declare that all of these whites are delusional, you are not just speaking for yourself.

          • Dikran Tulaine

            Yes I am accusing these white people who made up the percentages in the study of being delusional. And yes I am speaking for myself when I say I don’t feel discriminated against. The two idea are mutually exclusive.

          • Leonardo Jordão

            You consider yourself enlightened enough to tell every white person what his life is really like, but you claim to be just speaking for yourself. Too little logic, too much conceit. You have wasted my time.

  • fairmont66

    I wonder two things;1. What alternate universe do the people who they polled live in. 2. Or what type of hallucinate drugs did they partake in their youth.

    • Leonardo Jordão

      In 1978 Allan Bakke was neither a denizen of an alternate universe nor a drug addict. Reality is a lot more complex and nuanced than you think.

  • NE1BUTU

    When legislation exists that supports the advancement of a particular race, other races are generally at a disadvantage. Quotas and set-asides based on race that attempt to level the playing field, are by nature “racist.” And frankly, I don’t care. Obama didn’t power his way into his position because of quotas or set asides. Whites voted for him because they believed that the alternative option was worse. It doesn’t mean he’s a genius. In fact, most people believe he’s a terrible president. But he’s in, and he made it to his second term because both opponents were less suited. I’m not saying that caucasians are worse off today than minority groups. Far from it. The facts show that whites still rank better-off in almost all measured categories compared to blacks and hispanics. Yes, there are many situations where there is white racism. And it’s frustrating when those times are not taken seriously. But as for the big picture, the vast majority of whites that are complaining are those who are failures and need to find someone to blame it on.

    • Leonardo Jordão

      The average white is indeed better off than the average black. But the average white and the average black, being statistical fictions, tell us very little about actual whites and actual blacks.

      • NE1BUTU

        Sure. But isn’t that you you have to look at things on a macro level?

        • Leonardo Jordão

          No, this is a methodological mistake. Racism is first and foremost an individual’s racially-based hostile disposition towards other individuals, and so it is by looking at the microlevel that we can get a clear idea of who its actual victims and perpetrators are.

          • NE1BUTU

            Agreed. Have you made any sort of conclusions then?

  • bmorejoe

    11% is ko anticlimactic. Since we know that 30% of the population are stone crazy right wingers.

  • bmorejoe

    Unclear to me what if anything this has to do with the post. If you are discounting the poster I think that is a pretty obnoxious way to argue. If you are in support of the poster you could be clearer. “Have a nice day” is a nice sentiment but does not move the issue.

    • pwlsax

      Susan, sometimes the only meaningful response to hate is hate. We have to hate racism, say so, and act like it, or it will be around forever.

      Love is the greatest gift there is, but even love is not enough.

      • bmorejoe

        I’d say “Love, but hold accountable.” I do not need to hate the hater, I do need to describe and name the hateful process, and hold the hater to account.

        • Penumbra

          Let go of it. I’ve worked for years with kids from bad homes (after having grown up in one). 90 percent of the problem is misapplied labels. People feel crappy as part of being alive, and being a human being – then we get told it’s because we’re X label (black, white, latino, asian, female, male, gay, straight, rich, poor, etc.) so we never just face our own neurochemistry and say “I’m going to move past this”. We become professional victims and just perpetuate these negative feelings because we mistake their cause.

          But forget all that. We all feel like this.

          You hurt because you were born human – it’s par for the course. People can be cruel but they’re hurting too. People demean others to feel better about themselves. No excuse, but when you realize this it makes even the most evil SOB seem like an attention seeking child.

          The internet is showing us we really are all the same. Naked, alone, terrified; and with no certainties, and with no answers. Recognizing this we should probably start huddling together instead of digging our heels in and sticking our elbows out to keep these old, useless, labels. Human is enough. Culture, all culture, is just make-believe. Cultural identity is just the make believe that our ancestors believed that we haven’t got around to questioning yet. Lets move forward and just start with treating people decently and looking out for each other. Focus on what makes us the same rather than what makes us different – because all that stuff is illusory. When we do that that sense of dread we all have for being alive might start to abate.

      • http://www.bwesley.blogspot.com/ Bernell

        Love is enough if truly embraced. Hate is self destructive. This is why Jesus taught to love your enemies. That is being witnessed in the world at this very moment; bad people are losing, this is why they are so destructive, they are dying and they know it…

    • Dark Age Fire

      Isn’t it funny that all the talk about achieving universal love and equality etc. always leads to a world without white people? Diversity is just a nice way of saying white genocide. They don’t push it in Africa. They don’t mention that in Asia. Only white countries must be blended out of existence.

      • http://www.bwesley.blogspot.com/ Bernell

        Is that your fear? If so it is totally unfounded. There is no historical precedent for the type of total domination and destruction of other people that Europeans, since the Roman Empire, has unleashed on the world. We “need” every human type (not race, because it doesn’t exist) in the world. There are only two types of people in the world; good and bad. I choose good in whatever color they happen to be.

      • Armond

        guess you missed your school lessons on how to read…when it is so much easier…to blow smoke…out of your back hole…while claiming…it is snow…just in time for Christmas

  • bmorejoe

    Sigh. One more time. Racism in the US context is a systematic set of beliefs and power structures aimed at maintaining the power of one group of people by rationalizing the disempowerment of another group. It is empirically demonstrable. It exists. It is provable. It is not as simple as personal prejudice. White people (many) deny it because a.) They are not the targets. b.) Changing it would cause them discomfort. If you bothered to actually think about it and do some open-minded research you would find out very quickly how racist our culture still is.

    • GoldenBear82

      Sorry… cannot reach the same conclusions as you. A definition of “racism” that moves beyond race and into power, control, etc distorts the discussion. There are many selfish reasons for desiring power; only one of which is racism. Racism must be narrowly defined to those beliefs, acts, thoughts, etc that are caused, motivated, created by race based perspectives. Only by maintaining such a narrow definition can the honest discussion move forward. To widely define racism as you seem to be doing will ensure the discussion fails to generate any greater understanding by anyone.

    • J. Harris

      General truth

  • bmorejoe

    white southerners

  • atalex

    Actually, the largest mass lynching in US history was of Italian immigrants in New Orleans near the end of the 19th century. Google “David Hennessy.” Not that it changes your underlying point — racism against blacks was historically much worse against blacks than other ethnic groups — but there were lynchings of ethnic whites.

  • http://www.alexthomasactor.com/ Alexander

    Very astute.

  • Strandwolf

    There are 5 times as many whites than there are blacks in the US. Run that statistic into the equation.

  • pwlsax

    Fox is a media money machine that is unstoppable until the money runs out. Those 11% who have been Foxed are beyond help and beneath contempt. Confronting either is a waste of time, energy, words and thought.

    Our only hope is to change White people who don’t know they’re racists and bring them down to a level that will make them see.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    You said “even if candidates of other races or ethnic backgrounds applied, they pose no real economic threat.” Do they now? I mean absent government-mandated racial preferences for so-called “URMs”. Of course not. The average black applicant at UCLA scores 400 points less than the average white applicant, and 475 less than the average Asian applicant. The only way to eliminate privilege is to eliminate the nuclear family and its wealth. This is the aim of those who want to eliminate privilege. So it should not come as a shock that white people oppose your left wing policies. They hurt them the most.

  • Julian McAlister

    Isn’t having “BET” and such racist and shoved in the whites face that blacks can and will have a racist TV station. What does that say, about racism. If there is going to be NAACP and things like this, nothing is going to be any better because the whites will always feel we need to group with our own because it is and seems it is being done by the opposite race in plane view. O, not to mention there is a collage of and for only one race. I would hate to see a white or even a Hispanic try to get in. I’m not racist to those who aren’t racist, of opposite race, but to those who are.. If you support these things and think they’re right, YOU ARE RACIST, because your only looking at benefitting one race and not all mankind. We all are human and maybe one day, when other life forms are found, maybe we will look deep in ourselves and realize that we are human and ALL DISTANT RELATIVES. We should all, as mankind, be trying to make this planet better, working together, and figuring out a solution to all our problems instead of acting like children. Yeah,happened in the past, Africans sold slaves to the whites and we slaved them here. I had no part in it and neither did most alive. I wait on tables for a living and I can say that both races are disgusting sometimes. Conclusion, humans are human, no matter what skin pigment….

    • Angel

      You’re an intolerable idiot. Whites and latinos ARE enrolled in Tuskegee and other traditionally black colleges. Clearly college is something you are altogether unfamiliar with. AS well there are latin television stations and the majority of television stations are the WHITE version of BET. So get with reality.

      • Julian McAlister

        Wow, attacked, lol!! Your words don’t effect more nor does your disgust. You missed the whole point of the message. The message was, “all humanity needs to come together and set all differences aside for the good and prosperity of this earth”. Your just someone that sits on their computer looking for arguments they can stick their nose in. It makes me sick that I served in the Navy for people like yourself. Yeah, I see your point and it goes for the Indians as well, but I don’t need your negative words or thoughts brought out on me in your little paragraph. When you can find a NAACP for whites or have a organization that speaks out against a white that has been killed by another race, then you may have an argument. Until then, keep your thoughts to yourself about my education level and your choice of words.

        • Angel

          A- serving in the Navy gives you no more right to an opinion than I have, and if anything it makes me doubt your “credentials” even more. I not only have a good idea of your education level (which would NOT be reflected in your service, IF you managed to serve) but your mentality in not understanding a very basic concept: white people don’t HAVE to explicitly say, “This group is SPECIFICALLY for Caucasians” because by default all groups that are not specified as being for “other races” ARE for whites. Whites are the default. Haven’t you been here a little long to be missing a point so obvious??

          • mike black

            angel, thank you! and might i suggest in the friendliest of ways that you not waste much more of your brain and time on JMac, as your ending question points to the prob……unless u find this “fun”. then by all means, carry on ;-)

      • Actually Think

        What’s the white version of BET? Oh and do whites have a white only dating site? No cause that would be racist right? But blacks do!

    • Spacedog1973

      Thats got to be one of the most stupid arguments I’ve yet to have heard yet.

  • Cody Gough

    hey does anyone know how to find the nearest chillis, the ad isnt working

  • Angel

    That’s a great point and I thank you for making it. Wrongful incarceration, which undeniably improportionately affects people of color, is one of the saddest yet most solid measures of ongoing racism there is. Again, thanks for your excellent point.

  • Mike McTighe

    Only 209 and 208? That’s not really a good sample size at all.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Every white person that goes to college or contracts with the government experiences racial discrimination.

  • Fleb Flebbers

    Your assertion that people of African descent lack the ‘power dynamic’ to discriminate against Caucasians is blatantly false and intellectually dishonest.

    The average white person has no political power to oppress minority groups. The extra representation that they receive as a majority group has been minimized through policy, and so-called ‘white privilege’ doesn’t even guarantee food or shelter, much less the ability to oppress minority groups. America is probably one of the best places in the world to be a minority, as there are so many laws and institutions working in their favor.

    Furthermore, whites are not the majority group in most of the world. In many cases, whites find themselves discriminated against, and the victims of so-called “institutionalized racism” in parts of the world where they are a minority group. Even in the US, an African American employer can discriminate against a white employee.

    • Spacedog1973

      Delusional rant

      • Fleb Flebbers

        What a lazy way of arguing. You can’t debate with me, so you mark me off. Pathetic.

        • Spacedog1973

          Its tiresome to break down your ‘argument’ given that its drenched with your opinion dressed up as fact. In addition to your obvious poor understanding of the subject matter. However since you asked;

          “The average white person has no political power to oppress minority groups.”

          This is pure ignorance. Its like saying ‘the average German had no political power to oppress the Jews.’ Do you see how ignorant your comment is when applied to another demographic? Do you see how your views are inherently predujice and selective?

          Any white person, simply by being a member of the dominant group and recipient of priviedges that are entrenched within the US has power, simply by failing to acknowledge them, failing to educate themselves about inequity, failing to open their eyes and see things (Or even attempt to see things through a different persepctive. Just like the average German, failing to do anything, by proxy, emboldens and rubber stamps inequity and priviledge. If that analogy doesn’t work for you, think about the man who ignores the bruises on his friend’s wife’s eyes every now and then and carries on regardless or internalies and excuses the reason. It makes him just as culpable.

          “The extra representation that they receive as a majority group has been minimized through policy”

          Nothing has been minimised through policy. When there is equity (I don’t think you are foolish to suggest that, although I think you want to), then you might have any argument. But you don’t.

          “and so-called ‘white privilege’ doesn’t even guarantee food or shelter, much less the ability to oppress minority groups.”

          There is no ‘so-called’ about white priviledge. Deal with words within the public consciousness as they are. Its a little late in the day to try and ignore them. White priviledge is not about food or shelter. Its odd that you would even think to mention this, it shows your lack of understanding about the matter.White priviledge works at every level of society in every strata, every class. Males also have priviledge; society has been created with men in mind and if you were a women, an educated woman, you’d realise this. Its too complex a thing to explain if you have no understaning of what it is. And its clear thats where you are. If you truly are interested in talking about this, then educate yourself and don’t speak of ‘food’ or ‘shelter’ as it makes you sound completely out of the loop.

          “America is probably one of the best places in the world to be a minority, as there are so many laws and institutions working in their favor.”

          Really? Do you think all minorities NEED laws for white people to treat people fairly? Why would laws be needed in the first place? Are there laws to force people to be polite to each other? Also, its irrelevant what is happening in ‘other countries’ – the focus is on the US not elsewhere. Its a typical tactic to change the focus of the conversation or to make comparisons to ;take the sting out’ of the facts. Focus on the US only.

          “In many cases, whites find themselves discriminated against”

          Again, this is irrelevant.

          “so-called “institutionalized racism””

          No ‘so-called’. Simply ‘institutionalised racism’ will do.

          “Even in the US, an African American employer can discriminate against a white employee.”

          Again, irrelevant. This is not the subject of the matter.

          As I said, a rant.

          • Fleb Flebbers

            “the average German had no political power to oppress the Jews.”

            Ridiculous argument. There are no concentration camps, and minority groups are not being starved or forced to work.

            “Do you see how your views are inherently predujice and selective?”

            Against who? I’m Han Chinese.

            “Any white person, simply by being a member of the dominant group and
            recipient of priviedges that are entrenched within the US has power,
            simply by failing to acknowledge them, failing to educate themselves
            about inequity, failing to open their eyes and see things”

            What drivel. If you’re going to spout liberal talking points, at least make sense.

            “Again, this is irrelevant.”

            Of course it’s relevant. If whites were completely dominant in society, there would be no discrimination against them. They are obviously not as dominant or controlling as you’d like them to be.

            In any democratic society, where individual groups vote in their interests, the majority group will receive the greatest amount of representation. This is not ‘white’ privilege. This is majority privilege. You are adding a racial element where none would exist if viewed objectively. You are a bigot.

          • Spacedog1973

            “the average German had no political power to oppress the Jews.”

            Ridiculous argument. There are no concentration camps, and minority groups are not being starved or forced to work.

            [You completley miss the point so much that I think you are trolling. Its not about concerntration camps, its about having the priviledge of being exempt from mistreatment and then doing nothing constrcutive with your priviledged position by at the very least acknowledging that not everyone is exempt and those others are being mistreated. I used this example specifically to make explaining this issue more simplistic. I cannot make it more simple for you. You just willfully don't want (or can't) understand]

            “Do you see how your views are inherently predujice and selective?”

            Against who? I’m Han Chinese.

            [What has your origin have to do with anything? You wanted me to make a point, well, I'm making one. It seems you lack any understanding of what I am talking about. Maybe you have language difficulties. I can't think of another excuse for your blind ignorance]

            “”Any white person, simply by being a member of the dominant group and
            recipient of priviedges that are entrenched within the US has power,
            simply by failing to acknowledge them, failing to educate themselves
            about inequity, failing to open their eyes and see things”

            What drivel. If you’re going to spout liberal talking points, at least make sense.

            [Its basically baby talk for simple folk. Its 'liberal talking points' for you apparantly]

            “”Again, this is irrelevant.”

            Of course it’s relevant. If whites were completely dominant in society, there would be no discrimination against them. They are obviously not as dominant or controlling as you’d like them to be.”

            [Its irrelevant because the subject matter is not about whites and discrimination, no matter how much you want it to be. Taking a subject and turning it around and making the conversation about yourself is the height of arrogance]

            “In any democratic society, where individual groups vote in their interests, the majority group will receive the greatest amount of representation. This is not ‘white’ privilege. This is majority privilege.

            [The majority group is not white though. This is where you simply don't get it. White priviledge is exported and imported, its cross global and is more than about numbers. Its nothing to do with simply catering for the majority, (even if it was, this is a flawed mindset; most societies pride themselves on catering for those who would otherwise be marginalised). Within the US, White priviledge was artificially created, any American who has the most basic education knows this and how. Perhaps being chinese, you missed that class]

            “You are adding a racial element where none would exist if viewed objectively.You are a bigot.”

            [Predicatble and foolish. I have often wondered what it would be like in your shoes, lying about my origin, trolling online, feeling oppressed, yet having more advatange than anyone on the planet simply for being white. (no I don’t believe your chineseness for one second no matter what ‘proof’ you think to present). I sort of feel sorry for people like you. Really, if you can’t make it with priviledge behind you makes you a bigger failure than anyone else. Having to lie ONLINE in a discussion is one of the most saddest things to do. You failed to even understand basic principles in a discussion YOU requested.

            Lets pretend that white people are a misunderstood minority that is racially oppressed by the world’s population. Lets also pretend that black people have every priviledge thrown at them from birth to grave.

            While we are at it, lets pretend that we all have a single brain cell.

            Conversation over.

          • Fleb Flebbers

            Awww, did I fluster you so badly that you had to go into an ad hom rant? Poor guy.

          • vitola

            You make very valid points there. I’ve yet to consider it from the angle that maybe what we refer to as White privilege is really just majority privilege when considered from a purely objective perspective.

            My question will be how would you address the issue of “male privilege” seeing that the number of women usually outnumber the number of men.

          • vitola

            I think your response to his or her point about focusing on the U.S. only is not a satisfying enough answer. I agree with some of your points but on that one you simply brushed it aside without really contemplating the point being made.

            Flebbers made a factual statement in saying that the U.S. is and has been for the past few decades the best place for minority groups. This fact cannot be ignored. You say we should focus only on the U.S. when it comes to matters of racial inequality but there is a whole majority world out there and I think it’s beneficial to compare ourselves with the majority world to get an idea of where the U.S. stands when it comes to matters of racial inequality. What you might find is that we are at the top when it comes to the way we treat racial minorities. I know it’s not perfect and there’s room for growth but comparatively it is not that bad. The danger of taking a “U.S only” perspective when it comes to matters of racial equality and minority rights is that we end up comparing everything against a perfect ideal in our minds that exists and cannot exist anywhere in this fallen world if we are to be honest with ourselves.

      • Vivian Lee

        And yours is an ignorant rant.

  • Destin293

    Oh, hush it!! Both sides like to whine and cry about how they failed at life because the other side is more “privileged”. A white person isn’t unemployed because a less qualified black was ‘guaranteed’ the right to work. And a black isn’t living on foodstamps in the ghetto because a white person won’t let them go to college. Be responsible for your own choices and stop pointing fingers while trying to trump each other in the racism game.

    • Spacedog1973

      Oh hush it! Life isn’t as simple as you like to believe and history and its impact is a whole lot more complicated that it seems you will ever understand

  • Nelson

    If that is true, is it wise for blacks to criticize people like Bill Cosby for advocating that black families attempt to pass down a positive social inheritance to their children? If African Americans truly have negative family traditions that prevent them from achieving a high level of success in our society, perhaps those should be abandoned.
    At the same time, most remaining formal institutional racial preferences favor blacks and disfavor whites. Whites aren’t completely delusional when they perceive racism in college admissions and hiring at major corporations.

    • Spacedog1973

      I love your simplistic understanding of ethnic groups – as though ‘blacks’ have a group mind and wholesale condemn a person for what they say or not. Or wholesale do anything in particular.

      Only someone who lacks even the most basic understanding of human relationships and groups would even put forward such a childish question.

    • Armond

      or given the level of government sponsored discrimination across 450 years…it is amazing the incredible level of black American success

      funny the word delusional…which hides the truth from those so inflected…that they are unable to Google…the fact…that white women have benefitted most of all groups…from today’s affirmative Action Programs

      but what are a few facts…when whitewashing delusion

      nor will we speak to the economic construction of this country…formed by white men…who have controlled this government from the day of it’s founding…with a long history…of “never” favoring the black man…over their own brothers and sisters

      and if we have true interest…in negative black family traditions…the only true solution…lays in the problems root causes…not in the illness or outward problem itself

      but that is if you really care…the studies are numerous…and all lead to the same door…deeply rooted in American history…and in the foundation…of white American social understanding

      and just think…just 20 years ago today…most white people were sure that…that no black man was capable enough…to even play professional football quarterback

      and they would walk out of the hospital…at the sight of a black doctor

      and to think…white people believe…that all that should be said…is never mind…and get over it

      all while thinking…that they can simply say…the truth is not the truth anymore…because the truth hurts us

      as white Americans continue to benefit most…from Affirmative Action…poverty and social welfare programs

      that there is the heart of white privilege…and the source of all white delusion…that the black man…has become…their boogie man

      simply because…they are unable…to look at their own faces…in the mirror

  • Dark Age Fire

    Diversity is just a nice way of saying Less White People. I don’t think they are demanding more diversity in Asia or Africa. LOL!

    • Spacedog1973

      No one is ‘demanding diversity’ anywhere. I don’t see your point

      • James Milb

        Actually they are, Spacemutt— any area that has too many white people in it has an immediate call to diversify it from the loony left

  • dumplump

    First of all anyone who thinks they deserve anything from those who were actually enslaved are deluded. Your ancestors deserve reparations but you do not. On top of that, to say that the white race has never been enslaved is just lunacy. Roman empire comes to mind, along with a bunch of other cultures that enslaved whites. A majority of blacks in today’s society are given ever opportunity to succeed, but they usually decide against it. I grew up without a mother or father, and lived most of my life in the foster care system. In this system, mostly low-life garbage people become foster parents for that extra dough each month. I had to realize that no one gave a damn about me, and that the only way for me to become somewhat stable was to graduate high school, and possibly college. From there I went into the military were I served four years to get my GI bill to college. White people are not the cause of your problems. More than likely it is your worthless parents, relatives, and friends who keep feeding you a bunch of BS. Instead of deciding to get out of that line of thinking, you continue with it and become the future murders and car thieves. I know when I graduate that employment prospects are not great, and I will probably be working minimum wage for the rest of my life. Life for a majority of people sucks, and that is the truth. That does not mean I should take up becoming a thug, and start doing drive-bys or selling drugs.

  • dumplump

    First of all anyone who thinks they deserve anything from those who were actually enslaved are deluded. Your ancestors deserve reparations but you do not. On top of that, to say that the white race has never been enslaved is just lunacy. Roman empire comes to mind, along with a bunch of other cultures that enslaved whites. A majority of blacks in today’s society are given ever opportunity to succeed, but they usually decide against it. I grew up without a mother or father, and lived most of my life in the foster care system. In this system, mostly low-life garbage people become foster parents for that extra dough each month. I had to realize that no one gave a damn about me, and that the only way for me to become somewhat stable was to graduate high school, and possibly college. From there I went into the military were I served four years to get my GI bill to college. White people are not the cause of your problems. More than likely it is your worthless parents, relatives, and friends who keep feeding you a bunch of BS. Instead of deciding to get out of that line of thinking, you continue with it and become the future murders and car thieves. I know when I graduate that employment prospects are not great, and I will probably be working minimum wage for the rest of my life. Life for a majority of people sucks, and that is the truth. That does not mean I should take up becoming a thug, and start doing drive-bys or selling drugs.

  • Dark Age Fire

    Anti-racists demand Diversity in ALL white countries and ONLY white countries because their goal is a world without white people. Diversity is a code word for White Genocide.

    • Spacedog1973

      “Diversity is a code word for White Genocide.”

      Not only are you unoriginal (I mean, can’t you think of a slogan for yourself? Its not even a good one and didn’t take off anyway)

      Perhaps you can be forgiven for your ignorance, but so-called ‘non-white’ countries are probably the most diverse and tolerant in the world.

      • Actually Think

        Perhaps your wrong because you say things that exclude intelligence or thought. Ignorance is probably the biggest word you know because you have probably been called it alot. Your arguments are without facts. Take a debate class and maybe one day u will see what I mean.

      • Cole Younger

        Asia for Asians – Africa for Africans – WHITE COUNTRIES ARE MELTING POTS!? That’s called GENOCIDE

  • randell

    its ignorance to think that whites do not experience racism. if you look at the size of the population and compare race by numbers than indeed whites would experience racism more simply because there are more whites. if you compare percentages based on total size than blacks experience it more. but if you compare it neighborhood by neighborhood you will find it depends on how many whites there are and how many blacks there are. what i mean by this is if you have more whites in a neighborhood than the blacks will be the ones that experience it more often in said area. but if the neighborhood is mostly blacks what little whites are in the neighborhood will by far experience it on a daily basis more than their neighbors

  • rawyoo al

    privilege was for white rich people
    people of color win most for being racist and they history will remember that

    • Spacedog1973

      You have to be a special type of retarded to even think that. Rich white people, in fact white culture as a whole is synonomous for exploitation world wide and violence and racism. This is not something you can wish away

    • fairmont66

      Someone should have told your parents that siblings shouldn’t marry.

    • http://www.bwesley.blogspot.com/ Bernell

      What????

  • August

    Lets see what this country looks like when this does happen! If minorities dont start taking responsibility for there own lifes and actions, this country will collapse financially! The US has 1 chance for a better future! But unfortunatley it will probably not be realized due to people like you! Only when we as Americans work together can we remain strong! Bit again people like you want an excuse for failure! Regardless of what WE (you, i and everyone else here) say, the future will be the proof! But i am sure you will spin that to!

  • Actually Think

    From what I have experienced, I would say the article is accurate in its findings. I am white and have probably more black friends than white friends and it seems even though I am intelligent, compassionate and fair.. I still get flack on the stupidest things for being white. Caucasians do experience more racism than African Americans in America today.. I have lived in different states and in different areas and it is a true statement. If I were to say your black so you don’t understand something, I would be a racist. But for a black person to tell me that I don’t understand something cause im white seems to be not only acceptable and not judged, but everyday in a way. Im pissed off sometimes because I have gone out of my way many times to try and never make anyone feel uncomfortable regardless of race. Yet I guess I don’t deserve the same in return. I’m calling bullshit.

  • satay31

    This is what the problem is, your statements are just flat out untrue. This is a fact, a black college graduate has statistically less opportunity for a job that a white ex-con. The simple fact that you assume that the majority of Black or Hispanic males are going to job interviews unprepared ignorant and improperly dressed is telling in and of itself. I have a college degree and I am 47 years old so I come from a time when there was this “supposed” huge edge given to people of color because of entitlement programs. I really wish I could have found one and so do my parents who paid out of pocket for the three of us to get our bachelor degrees. I never found one program that paid me for being black NOT one nor did my brother or sister!! There were gap programs that helped students who were on the cusp i.e. they had low act or sat scores, or vice versa but those students paid for their education just like the rest of us. Were there private scholarships for Black and Hispanic kids yep there were and still are, and other than those the VAST MAJORITY of scholarships didn’t benefit minority students and still do not. You know how I know this? Because I received one of the coveted spots in the Financial Aid department 22 years ago and am still working in the field today! I have worked at 6 major universities in this country and the results are the same everywhere! What I find sad is that even though I have given you real factual information you will reject it because it is not the truth that you want to hear.

  • Vivian Lee

    Who gave you the power to redifine the word “racism” Nova?

  • Vivian Lee

    Actually Caucasians are people from Turkey and Iran. It is the people of the Caucasus. So unless you are Iranian or Turkish, you are not Caucasian.
    You are racist if you think everyone but “white” people have race connections. You are ignorant if you think people who discriminate against black people are racists, but people who discriminate against white people are not racists because white people have no race in your bigoted little mind.

  • bluesborn

    You know the only group of people I hardly ever hear whine or cry about how hard done they are in today’s society? Can you guess? Native Americans. We are all of us Black,Brown,White and Asian sitting on land that was the sole territory of the N.American Indian for tens of thousands of years and in all this back and forth about racism blah blah we never give them a second thought.I’m White by the way.

  • http://www.bwesley.blogspot.com/ Bernell

    If Euro-Americans believe that racism is a “zero-sum game” where one group gains at the expense of others, why would they claim discrimination, unless they see nothing wrong in gaining against others (whatever that means) is Ok as long as it is in their favor. That attitude is unbelievable selfishness.

  • MeanQueenJo .

    Very good comment. People are not very self-aware. The things we learn as children stick with us very strongly and its almost as if we would fight to the death anything that contradicts these beliefs taught to us by our influences at an early age. It’s sad because it makes hatred and racism really strong and hard to break.

  • MeanQueenJo .

    This makes no sense. White people aren’t one entity. “The time to have been remembered with kindness has well since passed”. Just stop. White supremacy? Sounds more like black power. I don’t care about white or black supremacy. I just fairness and justice. There tends to be a popular belief that “white people” want to keep “supremacy”…seriously? i dont give a f*** I’ve had a drug addict mother, dealt with depression etc etc. I am a human being. Don’t treat me like a white robot. I don’t want supremacy I just want us to all open our minds and start to understand each other. And the only way to do that is to stop identifying so much with race…but SOME people have had racism INGRAINED in their childhood learning…and they don’t even realise it. White and black..

  • J. Harris

    Racism comes into play when one race believes they’re more superior than the other and have the right to rule over them. History proves that racism has been a world problem since the beginning of mankind. In America, blacks didn’t start out believing they’re race was more superior than others, and whites were tricked into believing that they were and in many ways still are superior. I believe both are victims in American society; whites are just the more privileged ones. Black folk didn’t volunteer to take a back seat either; the system placed them there, and continues that effort to this very day. It’s just no longer mainstream. Yes, many things have improved; however, certain elite groups continue to push their hidden agendas. The trick is to make us believe their secret society doesn’t exist. As long as we keep drinking the cheap whiskey, they’ll eventually run away with all the fine wine; thanks to that poison they call racism, among other things. Anyway, I believe racism will continue to be a problem until each person can truly see his or herself as an individual in the human race, instead of this conjured up color or race group crap. I understand the significance of identity, family, culture and so on, but racism doesn’t have to take part in that. In a nutshell, racism finds strength in the minds and spirits of greedy and selfish people; they’re the problem, not blacks and whites.

  • J. Harris

    There is so much great information here; I wish I had time to reply to most of the comments. It’s been quite a learning experience reading so many of them. I believe information is so much more powerful than education. I must say though, THE SYSTEM has truly put a hurting on the minds of many people… talk about mind control… WOW! It truly is a double edged sword. Some of us are cut through and through and have no room for healing. The moment the pain from one wound subsides, another erupts. This applies to both races. The wounds of black folk are considered enormous, while white folk’s wounds are considered paper thin; yet, they’re all painful. For the most part, it is obvious that both races appear to be unsympathetic towards one another and diminishes the impact of these life changing wounds. The would be rulers designed THE SYSTEM to keep stirring it up, until all hope is lost, with no chance of recovery. This way they control the masses somewhat invisibly and effortlessly. I encourage those of us who recognize systematic manipulation of social and psychological influence to continue to expose the danger in it. Lord knows many of us need to WAKE UP!

  • nilbud

    Kill whitey

  • Bernn Ward

    “He comments that ‘It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment.’”

  • Jace Mindue

    A lot of blacks can’t accept the truth now days have al sharpton and others who promote racism it’s ok honey you’re black just show the race card and you’re fine for the rest of your life if you were white you wouldn’t last a year in our shoes…

  • detwo313

    Bro you are dead on it sickens me with all this equality talk and America is still has no equality for black Americans

    • Republican legion of democracy

      Right……the only reason pres. Obama was voted in…… was because he’s half white, right.

  • ImaMe

    The biggest problem with the word racism/racist is its used for EVERY racial disparity. More than anything it’s bigoted/intolerant, not any better but different. In our small town the black population is growing, great I’m all for diversity, but they bring their loudness, their incapable of taking care of their homes, most of the time I can’t understand what they’re saying-I’d love to know why some talk like they have a mouth full of poo-swearing LOUDLY, rap “music” blaring and a few started working where I work and the ones out on huber always show up but once jail time is up, they never return. Neither of them can be understood, the poo in the mouth syndrome again :/

  • vitola

    This is by far the fairest and most balanced post on this wall. Well done, sir or maam.

  • disqus_W5Atnq8fDo

    Edward, I am not here to disagree with you however I would like to mention one thing thinking you are reasonable person from your note… have you ever ask yourself why a few institutions such as school/collage and banks give a little deferent privilege if there is one by the way when it comes to bank. This is my take the history of American especially the race relationship is not something we all proud, blacks and other minority was treated as a second citizen, it is not me it is the history of America. A few years ago a black man can’t vote, a black man can’t even go to a public bathroom unless he find a color only bathroom, justice was not fair to the black man, banks don’t lend their many to black man if they do lend they charge high interest, not that much long 1954 racial segregation of public schools eliminated “it is not even two generation ago”, did not George Wallace stood in a doorway of university to block a black student from entering to the white only collage, don’t you think my friend what the American justice, banking, school system destroy blacks American life for centuries, I will be honest here what is wrong if a few blacks have a little privilege knowing their ancestor for 300 years was not a part of American dream. Let me put it you and me start to compete marathon you start at 22 mile and I start at 0 miles to complete a 26 mile distance, don’t you really think I can bit you whatever I try unless someone give me a speedy vehicle to reach to the finish line before you do… that is practically what happened to between black American and a white American. I am telling you there are most wonderful white people on this country who knows the history of the country and who goes out of their way to help minorities, without their help I don’t think the black/minority struggle could reach at this point. America by far still the land of opportunity and not in my wildest dream change my love to this nation…I am black immigrant from other continent “Africa” I have so many things that I disagree with the urban black kids, however i don’t blame them 100% for their faller. I believe hard work and I did not get a penny from anyone when I go to school, today I live a very comfortable life raising two wonderful kids…

    • satay31

      You are very correct. The fact that black people have been discriminated against since the inception of this country and are still being discriminated against is no excuse for them not to strive for better. Do i think all white people think the same? No just like all black people do not think the same. Black people in this country have been erased from the history books except as slaves and no mention of the legacies and lives that were stolen after slavery are mentioned!! White people are ignorant in this country and they want to remain so. The only reason they even assert something as absurd as the claims in this article is because they do not want to acknowledge their unfairness and level the playing field. Yes there are some really good white people in America who have helped black people, but this country would not be what it is without the sacrifices both forced and voluntary made by black Americans.

      • disqus_W5Atnq8fDo

        Satay31,

        I have this discussion with good friends of mine, first of all most white friends of mine they scared to talk this issue it makes them uncomfortable to start. But there are a few of them brave enough they openly discuss it and they share what they think, I admire them for their gut and I told this people there are not responsible for what happened in their ancestors time, my problem is what the current bigots/racist happened to be live in each neighborhood, workplace, law enforcement…etc. This is my take even if I did not go through the experience that my African American brother/sister go through I can totally understand what racism means and bigotry means, I truly understand their feeling, and why most young AA ended up where they ended up… please let us not forget the million successful AA who happened to be successful within the circumstance they grow up. My hat is off to these peoples, I don’t know what I will do if I have been in their shoe. One thing for people who said racism is history and no racism in the US and these days the most I hear to justify that racism is dead and buried is look the president, look Oprah if there was racism these people they won’t be where there are now, I lough first after 400 years a millions of black blood, a million AA treated as second citizens, if the indication of freedom is the success of a few people that is not something i can say freedom. The other thing most white American forget is “I am not by any means put all white in the same category” the residual effect of the racism… how much it put down the AA for centuries, the residual effect is showing now in most black life and mind. All 300 years the white man accumulate wealth education while the black man can even own land and can’t even go to school, it is well known the kids that come from the educated “collage graduate” family have a chance to go to college and have a good life in the other hand the kids that come from the low income/uneducated family the probability to be the same as his/her parents is higher. So I wish we all understand each other this country can give us more things….

        • Armond

          and just think…some say racism and discrimination are ancient history…but many of those acts…occurred in my current lifetime

          and at the hands…of your brothers…sisters…mothers…fathers…uncles…aunts…and cousins…and dude…let’s not even mention…your wife’s crazy family

          in fact…when many of you go home this year for thanksgiving and Christmas…you will hear them speak…in all their past glory…of how there was a day…when black people knew their place…and were truly genuinely happy people

          thanks however…for showing you can in fact…overcome ancient long ago history…simply through acknowledgement and understanding

          I often wonder…why the victims of violent child abuse…have so many problems…letting go…of the ancient hateful history that they wallow in…seemingly taking pleasure…in just being…a complaining victim

  • American Voice

    Racism by blacks against whites is socially accepted in America, there is no way to argue that. There are so many examples I can’t list them all. Al Sharpton and Obama have openly made racist comments in the media time and time again. They are punishing a white NBA owner for racist comments, and former NBA owner Jay Z threw an all black party in 2010. Security for the Jay Z party have admitted they were instructed to turn away all whites.

  • DaveAnyc

    I think we can infer that the emotional pain level that usually accompanies any White/Black discrimination discussion has changed for at least a considerable number of the 209 black people surveyed. That healing alone would be great news, especially if it reflects the status of that percentage of blacks. I wonder if it’s economically influenced, and possibly likewise the reverse racism results among whites surveyed.
    In any case, it would seem that the ZeroSumGame attitude is the real enemy, and we need to move out of that restrictive mind-set. imfho

  • TheTruthIsHere

    You attempt to dismiss racism against whites by speaking about some non-existent “white privilege.” Does “white privilege” make the rape of over 30,000 white women by blacks in the US alone every year okay? How about the thousands of murders, and the millions of other interracial crimes that blacks commit against whites every year? Are they okay? Are the genocides against white citizens in both Zimbabwe and South Africa okay because of this supposed “white privilege”? When does white privilege end and white suffrage begin? It seems to me that our privilege is merely to be victimized. Did you know white people can not even own land in Zimbabwe? Oh the privilege!

    Right now as i type this, and later as you read this, there is a white woman being raped by a black man. I guess that’s just her “privilege” though…

    Let’s not even get started on organizations that exist to oppress the progress of whites while solely aiding in the progress of blacks, like NAACP.

    • Armond

      so speak to the genocide of whites in Zimbabwe and in South Africa…or do you think…you get to make claims…simply by hiding…behind white face

  • TheTruthIsHere

    “Until white people conform to the beliefs of blacks blah blah blah…”

    You’re an absolute moron…

    • Armond

      so what is your story…now that we all know…that you know so well…how to ignore…facts and history

      let me now hear…how you can channel…Police Chief Bull Connor

  • Armond

    why in the world…would anyone acknowledge…white affirmative action…which was the rule of the land…for 450 years

    now that those programs are ending…and we move to a more equal nation…those who held it all…are guarantied to be miffed

    and when we see what they have shown themselves to be capable of doing…when pressured with equality

    oh my they were so put upon…they formed…the White League

  • Armond

    dude…you make way to much sense

    was surprised at the level of out and out white anger…in the south…against blacks…for their loss in the civil war…and the economic hardship that then followed for another 100 years…until the LBJ War On Poverty on behalf of poor white folk

    as they so conveniently forgot…that black Americans suffered through that same loss…right at their side…but as 2nd class…or often worst…American citizens

    funny…how even today…many young white Americans…will embarrassingly speak to their own parents racist attitudes…which appear…to be far from ancient history

  • Josh Byron

    I don’t think whites suffer as much racism for example while shopping, dining, etc. The majority of people hiring are white, and they prefer to hire white people I don’t know where the whole HR makes them hire blacks, etc comes from, I’ve been in places with basically maybe just 1 black in a sea of whites.

    Reading the attitudes in the posts, it’s obvious these people wouldn’t hire a black.

  • uncommonsense2010

    You touched upon white privilege and I’ll sum it up.

    For EVERY “white privilege” there’s an equal and much more offensive black privilege.

    Thus white privilege is a brilliantly disguised plan to hide behavior of the black community. It’s a way to say irresponsibility is the white man’s fault.

    And yet no whites destroyed Detroit, no whites shoot the kids in chicago to the tune of 250 a year. No whites define the boundaries of gang territories.

    Here’s the CORRECTED version.

    White Privilege is whites live in less crime and drug areas.
    Black Privilege is Blacks have easier access to drugs and guns

    White Privilege is living in less toxic homes.
    Black Privilege is being able to blame whites when you won’t fix your home.

    White privilege is better education in white areas
    Black privilege is blaming whites because you won’t study with your kids

    White privilege is whites go to jail less for dugs
    Black privilege is blaming whites when BLACK JURIES send him to jail

    White privilege is saying whites have a stronger family
    Black privilege is thinking you don’t need your man so you can falsely accuse him so he gets arrested and then have him arrested and jailed again because he didn’t pay child support because you couldn’t even try to make a marriage work.